We Need More Skins
For Kate, Mikaela, Yui, Yun Jin, Zarina etc.
Last collection was so boring. Haddie, Knight, Renato etc... Boring characters. I am hoping upcoming collections are just better.
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I thought quite a few of the new skins were solid. I particularly liked Artist, Knights, and Skull Merchants. Can’t argue with more content though.
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Yeah but the effort was for unpopular/boring characters. Popular characters deserves more love, more people are playing them and waiting for content.
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And Elodie too yeah. Haddies new skin sucks lol
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As a Zarina main I agree, she needs more cosmetics.
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But nothing changes. I am still not seeing them even after new costumes. They can add million costumes for them and everyone will still play Feng, Kate, Meg, Nea, Mikaela, Dwight etc.
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Renato is not boring, I’d let him stomp on me 🤤
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Zarina is not super popular, true but i am seeing her time to time. When she got her AoT costume, she was super popular. Maybe she needs some love which will make her more popular.
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My Haddie sightings have gone from once a month to like several times a week
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Yall are spoiled
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Exactly!
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Why do you hate Feng so much bro? Delete everyone except her and just let her cosplay them. Bhvr make this happen and I will play dead by feng again.
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I have seen a lot more Haddies in the last week or so, so I don't really agree there. Part of the reason unpopular characters are unpopular is because they got shafted on cosmetics at the beginning of their life cycle, not because there is something inherently wrong with them.
Haddie is a great example, the only thing boring about her is the set of cosmetics she launched with. Lore/character-wise, she probably one of the least boring characters in the game.
Conversely, Mikaela is a boring, half-baked character, but one who had a pipeline of cosmetic support from the minute she dropped.
People love cosmetics, but if you only give cosmetics to characters who already have a ton, you might as well just delete like 2/3 of the roster because you're never going to get engagement there.
I would bet if there was a massive cosmetic dump tomorrow for "unpopular" characters, you'd instantly see their pickrate skyrocket.
What they've done is create a cycle where they favor certain characters with lots of cosmetics, but only because they are popular, which is almost exclusively because they already have a ton of cosmetics.
I think BHVR needs to release each new character with a standard minimum number of cosmetic options, or they might as well not release them at all.
Kate and Mikaela absolutely don't need more cosmetics than they're already getting. Zarina, maybe.
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I'd be into more skins for characters and a lot of the classics can do without new skins for about a year tbh (such as Dwight)
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Haddie is one of the most interesting characters - lore-wise and design-wise. Kate and Mikaela in comparison to that are pretty bland stereotypes (no hate, I like their characters for what they are) and they have plenty of skins and still receiving often enough.
we desperately needed more diversity in cosmetic distribution and they finally got to it.
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Mikaela and Kate are doing just fine (Kate literally got one in the Alice in wonderland collection). I do agree on yun Jin and zarina though
But seriously Haddie went nearly 8 months without a new cosmetic. You can miss out on 1 set so that we could finally get one in the first place. Haddie is the most interesting original character and really deserves more of a spotlight in terms of both lore and cosmetics
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I’ve seen more Haddie’s after her new cosmetic released. If you give a character a solid cosmetic lineup at launch people will play them
Want an example? Look no further than Vittorio. 2 purple and green cosmetics at launch which made him one of the most popular male survivors. That will continue so long as he gets consistent cosmetics
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I think the challenge right now is creating a new survivor that we see as often as Feng, Kate and Yui. The only recent one that has come close to this is Vittorio. They did something right with him. Characters like Haddie and others we hardly see should be thrown into the void and forgotten. Use your most popular characters as blueprints for the next one.
As for cosmetics, I feel the same. The most used cosmetics should also be used as blueprints for future ones. Its one thing for a character to have a lot of cosmetics, but do they have a lot of good cosmetics? That is what matters.
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Most popular characters have enough at this point though. There’s only so many times feng can get “cute streamer outfit” or mikaela can get “TikTok witch” outfit
The unpopular characters usually have unexplored opportunities for cosmetics which can attract more people to play them. I never considered playing Thalita until they added her new cosmetic but I love it so I’ve started playing her more.
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Mikaela has gotten a cosmetic every patch since her update. She's fine. Put some of that attention on Jonah or Adam.
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She's also risen in popularity to the level of the other most used survivors. I see a Mikaela on my team almost every match. Mikaela was an absolute win survivor. Its no wonder she gets a lot of cosmetic attention. When it comes to cosmetics it isn't just about the cosmetic. Its about the survivor its made for too. A popular survivor is a lot easier to market cosmetics for than an unpopular one. Mikaela is a very marketable character.
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They already created some new popular survivors: Mikaela, Yun Jin and Vittorio.
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I was talking about more recent survivors. Mikaela has been out for awhile as well as Yun Jin. Vittorio is way more recent. Yun Jin is pretty popular, but I think Mikaela is more popular just based on how often I see her as compared to Yun Jin. The point is characters that are well received should be the focus for cosmetics as well as blueprints for future survivors.
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They are getting costumes, true but not all of their costumes are good. For example, Mikaela has a lot costume but only few of them are good to use.
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There's no mystery, no secret formula. There's nothing special about the most popular characters. People are just like birds with shiny objects, and those objects are new cosmetics.
Vittorio, like Mikaela and a select handful of others, was immediately prioritized for frequent cosmetics, and has received a steady flow of them. That's why he's popular.
I would bet one of my kidneys that if, say, Jeff or Quentin (hypothetically) got a payload of 20+ new unique cosmetics dropped tomorrow, they'd be top 5-10 in surv pickrate in very short order.
The "unpopular" characters are only so because they got few or no cosmetics at the beginning of their life. That's it, nothing more.
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I'm a P100 Haddie.
Just because you don't like a character doesn't mean everyone else feels the same.
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Same applies to the less popular characters. Except that the more popular characters have more choices which attract more people to them
Sure you might not like a certain mikaela skin but that skin could be the reason someone decides to main her
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They have done that, and we got Haddie. I'd much rather them focus on what they've done right and expand on that.
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I’d rather not have multiple of the same characters with similar cosmetics. One of DBD’s strengths is the variety and diversity of its survivors and killers
If we try to homogenise them it would just lead to stagnation especially since survivors are just skins. Sure Haddie and Jeff may not be as popular but they still have dedicated playerbase willing to pay for skins.
It’s okay and even expected that some survivors get more than others. My issue was the blatant abandonment of some (mainly Haddie though)
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Who said anything about making them all look the same? Kate looks nothing like Yui and neither looks anything like Feng but they're all very popular characters. Why didn't everyone like Haddie just the same? Clearly there is something about the more popular characters that some of the newer ones don't have. I'm not going to play let alone spend any money on boring and generic looking characters. I'd rather invest time and money into 5 characters that look like Kate than 1 thats easily forgettable.
"Variety and diversity" only goes so far when you're trying to market something that sells almost entirely based upon its visual appearance.
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If you don't like Haddie, stay not playing her. The people who like her looks and her lore will play her. Not every survivor has to be made to be popular or pretty just like "KateMain86" on the forums wants them all to be. I would honestly have 5 Haddies than have 5 clones of Kate just because "pretty characters sell".
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They can make whatever they want. I'm not the one trying to market this game and its content to current and potential new customers. All I can do is tell them what I want as a consumer and give my opinion on what I think would be good for the game going forward. Yea the game has about 30 survivors in it, but it may as well just be about 10 with who I see most often in my matches.
Of course they don't have to be, but it sure is good for business. I'm sure they'd be really happy if the next original chapter sells a million units. But like I said, they can make what they want. You can tell them what you like and I can tell them what I like and we'll see what they choose to do next. I think I'm kind of in the popular opinion here when I say beauty sells especially when what you're selling relies heavily on outward appearance. Unless they're planning on giving survivors unique abilities that only they can use then I don't see what else really should be the focus of these characters other than their looks.
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Kate, Mikaela, Yun-Jin, and Zarina just got new skins recently.
And those "boring" characters are way better than some hipster wannabe-witch girl who works in a coffee shop.
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I really don't think very many people who play this game share the same opinion. I have not seen many Haddie fans at all since she came out. I've seen probably less in all the matches I've played since she was released. Kate and Mikaela may be bland stereotypes to you, but they are way more popular and played than Haddie. If anything they prove even a "bland stereotype" was better received than Haddie. This goes back to my point that the visual appearance of the survivors is what matters most. Haddie could have the most amazing lore ever but its not going to make everyone start playing her. In fact I think both Kate and Mikaela would be just as popular and played had they had no lore at all.
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Variety and diversity is one of the main way to market a character. For example mikaela appeals to people who like a modern witch aesthetic and Nea is for people who like punk outfits
Sure someone like Jeff who appeals to metal heads might have some less general appeal but he is still played and people still buy cosmetics for him. If we made every character very similar then people would just stick to who they already play and not bother with buying new cosmetics
If I mained mikaela and they added another witchy survivor why would I even change main or buy cosmetics for them?
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I mean there’s no denying that she’s played less but we have to look at her launch to understand that. She had 1 anniversary cosmetic and 1 locked set (Nobody uses those except for licensed). If Kate launched with the same amount of skins that Haddie did at her launch people probably wouldn’t have played her much
When Haddie got her first full on new skin 8 months after launch people had forgotten about her. Especially the people who missed out on her anniversary skin who are left with 1 locked set and recolours to buy
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I never said Haddie is more popular than Mikaela or Kate or that she is played more often.
still no need to complain the one and first time she gets a new cosmetic release almost a year after her release when Mikaela gets one every update since her release.
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Map-centric balance adjustments should be made before releasing any more skins
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The point I'm making is survivors can be different from others with unique things about them but still all be as popular as other popular survivors before them. Look at some very popular fighting game characters for example. Kitana, Mileena, Sonya, Jade and Scarlet from Mortal Kombat. They are all different in their looks, personalities and stories and yet they are all very popular characters from that game. Look at Cammy from Street Fighter 6 and how people went crazy over her new look in that game. All of these characters are different and unique but they have something in common. They are very attractive and beautiful characters. I know that may not appeal to everyone, but clearly it appeals to almost everyone. Some ideas in character design just simply appeal to a lot more people than just trying to make characters that will only appeal to so many. Who was Haddie made for? The Roots of Dread DLC for DBD has a price tag on it so I'm assuming they are wanting to make a profit from it. Maybe they sold a lot of that DLC. I don't know. What I do know is I rarely see Haddie in game and hardly ever see her spoken of in a good way in the very few times people even really talk about her. So who was the target audience there?
No but you did say she was one of the most interesting characters in lore and design. The point I made was that this doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is how well she is received by the players. We don't need more diversity in cosmetic distribution. We need more characters that are worth making cosmetics for in the first place. I'm pretty sure if Haddie was as popular as Mikaela she'd probably have a lot more cosmetics by now and get them as often as Mikaela does. It doesn't make sense from a business perspective to invest time, money and resources into making content that won't give you a good return in that investment as compared to creating something that will. That is just my guess as to why Mikaela gets cosmetics more often and Haddie doesn't. Do you think its for any other reason?
Kate's popularity at launch had nothing to do with her cosmetics. She has and continues to get a lot of cosmetics BECAUSE she was and still is a popular character with a very appealing design to a lot of people. I literally got the game because of Kate. Her cosmetics were just bonus.
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Sure that's why this witch girl is more popular than this "way better characters" . Sure dude, whatever you say.
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You’re comparison isn’t really accurate. In MK every character is a fighter with different movesets. I may not like how mileena looks but I might like playing her regardless. They are unique yes but nobody really picks their main in MK based on appearnace. They could all look the same and it wouldn’t have a major impact since their moveset is what defines them. Scarlet has her blood magic while kitana has her fans
In contrast survivors in dbd are just skins. It’s important for them to look different as that’s all they offer really. Sure Haddie might not be as attractive to the majority of the playerbase as say Kate or feng but that doesn’t mean she doesn’t have a fanbase or doesn’t deserve cosmetics. Sure she might not get as much and I understand that but going nearly 8 months without one is ridiculous for a character who was so new
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Im both dissapointed by the post and dissapointed by the community (myself included) by proving some of these posts within right.
But also, thinking like that is so... weird? "Oh no! Those characters that get skins VERY often didn't get a skin! Whatever are we going to do!?" It's just one collection, let some characters have some love. If not from the majority of the community then atleast from some of them.
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The only thing that matters is how well she is received by the players. We don't need more diversity in cosmetic distribution. We need more characters that are worth making cosmetics for in the first place.
that’s just from one narrow perspective - and with this attitude, why should they release characters like Haddie or even Jeff and Adam to begin with?
they obviously are part of the story telling as well and the creators certainly do care about them to some degree as well. Also they might draw in other people that want tl play as such characters and not just those boring popular ones
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I would like to see (not the baby) a younger Jeff , a new outfit for my Carlos.
I really like the concept of a younger Ash, it is something they never did before
They need to rethink how cosmectics work, no wonder why nobody use their crown or mask, because default head skin are usually ugly (except Elodie or Mikaela I guess), they should allow us to put accessories on top of our "head". It's time to includes more customisation.
Also, the new Kate is ugly (I was a former main Kate until the rework), I prefered Kate when she was introduced
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Jeff actually has a young skin to an extent. His 2 green rarity cosmetics are from when he was a roadie in his younger life
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Indeed
I guess I just find him ugly after all
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Mika needs more neutral outfits. She has a lot of things that don't go well together. I need more casual neutral things to mix and match without her looking like she is a 5-year-old that went into mommy's closet. Jeans would be nice. She had ones in a rift but I missed em. Nice shorts without right red or evil pink.
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I'd say this goes for everyone. A lot of new cosmetics feel more like costumes than clothing. I prefer outfit options that feel like things actual people would actually wear.
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I think if there was more relevancy to their inclusion in the game like a story mode then more people may be interested in playing the less popular characters. If we could play something in DBD that involved character interactions with voice lines and the such then it could increase interest across the board. All we have are the characters with some words on the screen and some voice narration within the tomes for some of them. Apart from that, DBD is just a simple objective game within small closed off maps. Maybe the DBD movie will get people more interested if some of those less popular characters are in it.
The visual design of those characters has greatly impacted their reception within those communities. The fact that survivors in DBD are just skins means that emphasis on their appearance needs to be even more focused on than a fighting game character since as you said they have more things relevant to their popularity than just looks. If survivors in DBD had unique abilities that only they could use for playing as them then people would have more reason to play them simply for a tactical advantage. If Haddie could drop kick the killer and stun them for 5 seconds I'm pretty sure a lot of survivor mains would be playing Haddie. As it stands, the most cool looking and/or attractive survivors in DBD will probably always be played more often since they are basically just skins that can use any perk in the game you have. And they can be diverse in characters like that, but the "cool and attractive" aspect of them must never be overlooked.
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”Cool and attractive” is literally subjective though.
How isn’t Haddie a cool character in comparison to others? And attractiveness is subjective (Haddie is the best looking survivor imo)
My point is that when the only reason to pick your survivor main is subjective reasons then bhvr should account for that and make diverse survivors which they do. There’s no point in having different survivors at all if we just get Kate o and David on repeat
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I don't care about any of these characters, I want a Nick skin for Ace or Felix.
And give Laurie some cosmetics too, she has literally 1 thing. Even Myers has more than her, and this man is not into fashion.
(Keep Laurie cute tho, no half naked clothing cause that's just how every other women dress up anyway.)
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