Something That Still Irritates Me
Survivors: We need something basekit to combat tunneling!
BHVR: Here's Borrowed Time basekit.
Survivors: Cool! We'll use it to body-block the Killer & prevent them from going after our unhooker!
Killer downs the bodyblocker.
Survivors: What!? BT did not work; I'm still being tunneled! Give us more basekit perks!
Honestly; I'm so frustrated with being screamed 'TUNNELER!' at because the unhooked Survivor literally prevented me from switching targets, then thought they still deserve to run away.
Like, why would I hit Mr. Bodyblocker, then let them flee so I can 2-hit someone else...instead of just hitting them again so I can put them right back up on that hook. How does this logic work, Survivors?
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The hit cooldown is 2.7 seconds, if you hit someone before they begin unhooking it is almost impossible for the unhooked survivor to bodyblock for the survivor that unhooked them. Unless the unhooker has unhook speed, but even then it isn't easy.
What's more common is killer either slugging the survivor that unhooker and running straight for the unhooked survivor to down them after 10 seconds, or just not bothering to hit the unhooker at all, only to instantly hit the unhooked to cause Deep Wounds and deny OTR and DH.
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I love to hard tunnel out BT bodyblockers to teach them a lesson
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What does this have to do with what I said at all?
I'm talking about when I go back to a hook after an unhook, and the unhooked Survivor bodyblocks with BT, then acts like I was toxic for downing them.
Adding some hypothetical situation that does not even apply to my post is kind of weird. You make it sound like bodyblocking never happens, which is incorrect.
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Does that really happen? Never ever happens when I play killer. Maybe if they have Off the Record. Is this some sort of low MMR thing?
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Only thing that will make me tunnel.
BT Body Block = Go back on hook.
It makes me laugh when they go for the body block and I just sit there and wait until they frantically run around realizing I’m just going to wait out the BT.
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Yeah. I just hate being screamed at like I'm breaking some rule after they bodyblock.
It's like they legit think 'I can prevent the Killer from chasing someone and he has to let me run away after, or he's a tunneler! No way this can backfire!'
Plan backfires.
Survivor: Incoherent screaming.
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If a survivor is going to scream at you when bodyblocked using BT (either basekit BT or actual BT), that's a survivor who is going to scream you regardless of what you do if they lose. You could play the most fair game ever but if you kill them, SOMETHING you did was against THE RULEBOOK and you'll be screamed at for it. You can safely disregard any shrieking noises they make.
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my dude the thing last 12 seconds, use your brain count up to twelve and down them but you make this sound like something that happens every game but ever since base bt was added i can count the times this happened to me with the fingers of one hand
in the other hand killers that know how to count up to twelve and then tunnels one guy out of the game with five gens left happens 1/5 games
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I think you missed the point, the OP isn't complaining about being body blocked with BT they are talking about players who body block using BT then expect to be left alone and not targeted again off hook.
But if a player uses base kit BT to body block for their rescuer they can't really complain about getting tunneled because they created a scenario where they were the best target to chase.
My suggestion to the OP is in that scenario chase whomever you feel like and let the whiners whine about it.
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One of the few things very irritating in this game. At higher MMR this becomes very common - should you tunnel in return you get the nasty remarks at the end.
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Bodyblocking with BT is a high risk play, and people who do it generally know the risks. If they complain when it backfires, I wouldn't take them that seriously. You don't have to take anyone in the end game chat seriously, actually.
That said, this argument gives me strawman vibes. A lot of killers still hard tunnel off of the hook even if they make no attempt to bodyblock for the unhooker. The majority of people aren't asking for more anti-tunneling measures because they want to get away with free bodyblocks, they're asking for them because they don't like getting tunneled.
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I think its moreso the fact it was added to let a survivor have some chance to get away from a killer who just wants them dead immediately. Which fair play if a killer wants you dead you should gain some defense to have some chance. BT was used for partially that reason. The other part was for bodyblock plays which had little counter. Which now both those parts are in the basekit game now. You shouldn't be stopped going for the unhooker (a thing heavily encouraged) by the unhooked because they have a shield over them. Its nothing about you deciding to do it to help a teammate. Its the killers position of trying to play at the fairest they can and being punished for it. But i just ignore survivors complaints after they do it. Not that big of a deal. I also know its 10 seconds so if they spend 5 bodyblocking. That gives them 5 more to get somewhere while im right on top of them. Good luck to them lol.
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You just have to ignore the salt. You can’t please everyone. I actually love punishing the bodyblocker. They’re asking to be tunneled and I’m okay with the match being made easier.
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I really wish that while the surv is under basekit BT he/she has no collision with the killer. So, it cannot be abused by any of the sides and give both a fair chance at the game (can't bodyblock to prevent a hit from the killer in another surv/ killer can't bodyblock the unhooked surv into a corner until the BT ends)
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For me bodyblocking with BT depends on the situation, if I am on hook and an injured teammate unhooks me and the killer comes, I will try to take the hit, because my teammate is one hit to go down and I have BT but that's it. Usually I try to save my BT for myself and run away but many killers still tunneling with or without bodyblock.. so... just play the way u want.
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Nobody is bothered lol. I don’t care if somebody takes a BT body block or not. I do the same when I’m playing survivor. I’m just saying it’s funny when they get mad because they got tunneled for it.
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The whole point is to remove the pressure of someone being on a hook and prevent a hook trade. People do it expecting to be chased, in the end it results in a free +10 seconds to a one hit chase at worst or forces another 2-hit chase, which is the entire goal.
I don't know why all Survivors are being generalized from the loud comments of a few noobs. And I'm sure if I made a similar thread about killers complaining about "gen-rushing" justifying their playstyle it'd go over well right?
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You can hear their screams? that is an impressive tech kit
Joking aside, sometimes people do it as gratitude for the person who unhooked them? It depends on the context but if it was me, and I got downed by the killer for body blocking after unhook, I wouldn’t consider it tunnelling at all. It’s a risk and if the risk fails, there can’t be any complaints. I don’t think it’s a toxic situation for either side. Just a risk and one that can either buy a moment for the unhooked (this could even be a friend who is playing together) as gratitude or sometimes just an instinctual protective move.
I think someone complaining about being tunnelled because if that is being unreasonable.
What I don’t appreciate is tarring all survivors with the same brush. This forum is full of them v us and this kind of post just adds fuel to the seething hatred killers mains have for survivors.
framing it as:
Survivors: say x y z
is tarring all survivors and ridicules people who mains survivor and will
illicit a response like mine at best, or worst, turn people more toxic in game because of the us v them mentality it breeds.
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Getting easy trades is part of the issue with the hook system, which survivors cannot fight without any form of BT, unless at least half the team just shows up and throws the match.
Therefore, if they use their BT to deny the 1-for-1, it seems to me like the mechanics is working as intended.
They should avoid it only if unhooker is healthy, but simply because it's a self-sabotaging play which can easily be followed, as stated, by a direct tunnel, ever since DS got nerfed into irrelevancy. Which also makes the whole complaint a complete nonissue, at least for killers.
Not to mention that, if it's a killer who can 2-tap fast, then even if the unhooker is healthy then survivors are forced to take turns taking hits for each other exhausting pre-down health states, in order to even have a chance at breaking the trading carousel.
Of course, some killers won't be content until they'll be able to play re-hook simulator, just like some survivors won't give up asking to be able to hold m1 on gens undisturbed and then leave through the gates.
P.S. insert 'you're an entitled [ROLE] main' comment.
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I guess my question is why are you racing back to the hook when someone is unhooked? It sounds like you were proxy camping anyway, otherwise that would be a ridiculous strategy. Because if you were no where near the hook during an unhook, you would waste so much time trying to get back there to potentially hit the unhook survivor (which let’s be honest that is what you were really going to do) or their saver.
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It is really irritating, I never tunnel, because it's more fun to win 12 separate chases, but survivors always use defensive perks offensively. When someone is unhooked, I always go for the unhooker, but more often than not, the unhooked survivor will body block a healthy survivor and they put me in a position where it just makes sense to go for them. Do they really expect me to hit them once and then completely let them go and chase after a fully healthy survivor?
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Basekit BT doesn't even last that long. For this scenario to happen the way you are describing it you weren't that far from hook.
Try not proxy camping next time.
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Because Survivors tend to heal under the hook.
Because I could chase the unhooker, as I know where he is instead of hunting for the other 2 Survivors.
Going back to an unhook is not 'proxy camping'. Or are you implying I have to ignore unhooks?
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Ah yes, more 'Try not doing anything that could help you win. Allow us to name it and shame you'.
Again; returning to a hook ain't 'proxy camping'. That's a BS, made up phrase by salty Survivors.
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😥
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wHy yOu tunneling mr tunneler???
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If you were across the map returning to the hook wouldn’t be strategic. The only scenarios where it’s at all reasonable involve some form of camping (face or proxy).
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Yeah it pretty funny cause half time they will dc afterwards
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I mean… proxy camping means you didn’t leave the area, and if you’re in position to return to the hook and secure a down or w/e after a hooked survivor has been saved the only way you could successfully do that is if you were (proxy) camping. It’s ok to camp but like own it. Lol.
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Ive had cases where playing billy i hook. Saw away. Can't find anyone because lets say its like red forest or something. The unhook happens. I go to where i know people are so i saw back and down the unhooker. I proxied by using a killers power? Like i know billys rare but his design is to get around the map quickly lol. Other cases is where its like final 2-3 and it just doesn't make sense to be hunting the 1 while over half the remaining is in one spot. Only other case i can think of is me walking off and the survivors do the back save while im literally walking away. So theres a good few of examples.
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It would be if I did not know where anyone was. I mean, what's smarter?
- Keep hunting for people I have 0 idea about.
- Go back to the loud noise notification and hope they are healing or I see scratch marks I can chase.
Also; proxy camping' is not real. It's, once again, a fake phrase Survivors invented to complain. 'He was camping!" "He left the hook. How was he camping?" He was PROXY camping!"
And there are times Survivors unhook when I am walking away, and the bodyblock happens. Quit acting like the Killer broke some rule in order for this to happen.
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Here’s an easy answer: if you have LOS of hook, and by that I mean you can see the survivor’s body loaded in, you are proxy camping. You’re proximate to the hook. If you cannot see the hook, meaning you’ve moved so far from the hook if the survivor is saved you just see the bubble, you’re not proxy camping.
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if you have LOS of hook, and by that I mean you can see the survivor’s body loaded in, you are proxy camping.
So, basically 'If you are not as physically far away as possible; Survivors will complain, invent a phrase to shame Killers, and blame the Killer for doing this thing they invented with arbitrary rules to it.'.
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If you have sight of the killer and the hooked survivor, then you cannot go for the rescue, otherwise you're forcing the killer to proxy camp. You are proximate to the hook, and are in fact proxy-rescuing. You must wait until the killer has crossed the map before approaching the hook.
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I mean it doesn’t matter to you if survivors complain or not (and it shouldn’t, tbh). Because their fun isn’t your responsibility, after all. Like I said it’s ok to camp just be honest with yourself about it. You don’t earn brownie points by trying to like explain it away, deny it, rationalize it, justify it, etc. you camp and that’s ok. Most players do. Hell, I do. Lol.
anyway don’t bother responding, I won’t acknowledge you. I’ve moved on.
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Ey at least on lerys your never proxying because all ya need to do is turn a corner. Poor coldwinders or shelter woods players though. I see why proxying is such a problem on those maps.
(The term is stupid because of the fluidity of it and the so many IFS someone can come up with on a dime. Like at most id give proxying like staying 15-20 meters in any direction of the hook just walking around. But most people i know return from like 30+ if they can't find anyone)
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So you wanted the last word?
I hate when people say their part, then say 'Don't bother replying', as if they get to control the discussion.
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For real? Well, lucky you. I don't doubt that this is your experience, but I get this behaviour nearly every single game. Its definitely not something thats rare or just happens in low MMR, but is one of the most common occurences in regular DBD gameplay.
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I meant that in a sense of it giving me all the reason to tunnel. Why wouldn’t I tunnel in that situation? I’d be dumb not to. That’s all I meant by it being the only time I’ll tunnel.
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Don't have to respond if you don't want to im just trying to have a respectful convo for my side of the spectrum. The fluidity of the term just makes it die on arrival. Facecamping is very simple of a concept and has a very clear definition. Proxying at most i could say is "staying within 15-20 meters with no intent to leave". But some killers can ranged down you. Huntress can throw a rng hatchet cross map behind 52 walls. Hag can tp back to a trap cross map. Billy can zoom back. Oni the same. Hell even dredge is the biggest example of this. Lockers become locked until the unhook finishes. Then dredge can immedately teleport to the nearest locker. Doesn't matter where he is on the map or whats in his way. Its just personally why unlike tunneling and facecamping. I don't think proxy camping is actually a thing. But if i did have to give it a definition the easiest example would be "staying within close proximity to a hook with no intent to leave at all"
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This, every-time I see people doing the absolute most to justify playing a certain way and it never makes sense.
Let's be real, you were going to camp and tunnel anyways. Who cares, virtually everyone is desensitized to it aside from loud minority. We all know its an issue that will be addressed eventually, just be honest and move on.
Most people don't even care about tunneling or camping in a close game, in a tense match, any advantage will be taken to win. The problem is when killers get an enormous lead really early on and still play like this.
Fun is subjective and all, but tunneling and camping are supposed to be last-resort strategies that are used when you really want to win as they are super efficient but less enjoyable. People are going to rightfully treat you like a weirdo when you employ these strategies even in situations where you don't have to.
The "Survivor Rulebook" is just a dumb boogeyman that killer players bring up as a buzzword to throw a pity party over their controversial playstyle.
When in reality, its not even a rulebook and more "the game would be more fun us if you played like this instead."
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The "Survivor Rulebook" is just a dumb boogeyman that killer players bring up as a buzzword to throw a pity party over their controversial playstyle.
Except it very much existed as the game gained popularity. Suddenly, Survivors were inventing rules against camping, tunneling, slugging, not playing Nurse, not using certain perks, etc.
When in reality, its not even a rulebook and more "the game would be more fun us if you played like this instead."
When in reality it was more "It would be more fun for us if Killers stopped trying to win. Now excuse me while we bring 2 BNP, a flashlight, and a purple medkit. And all META perks. And use voice comms in a 4-man SWF. But Killers need to stop 'tryharding' and 'sweating' and play off-META sometimes, because our fun matters.'
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Don't want to be my target? Don't ######### make yourself my target. Easy as that. Run off, heal, do whatever and let me chase your unhooker or I'll just put you back up there instead.
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The beginning and end of this discussion is that you should just play how you want and people are allowed to comment on your playstyle. That's it. Nothing else should need to be discussed.
People invent rules that do what and result in what? 1 or 2 salty end game messages, and annoying tweet or reddit post here or there, or at worst, a profile comment. None of these are serious or pressing consequences. Play on anon-mode, don't use dbd-related social media, or just ignore it. These are all such simple suggestions that its impossible to have an intelligent discussion about the topic.
I'm a survivor main, but I grind killer to Iri1 every season for more BP's. Guess what, I camp, I tunnel, I slug, but I rarely, if ever get people that complain. Guess why?
Because I only do it when its fair-game to do so.
People asking you to not tunnel/camp/slug at 4-5 gens when someone dc'd or went next immediately is not at all comparable to doing the above when facing a bully/tryhard squad and I wish people would stop forcing this comparison.
If you want to win every game, then go for it, camp/tunnel/slug as much as you want. Just please stop trying to paint the narrative that killer mains are oppressed by double-standards.
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Ultimately, it doesn't matter what you do as killer. Some survivors will attack you for killing them, because they've firmly believed that the game should end with them escaping.
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well they have basekit BT which I think is what you're saying, bodyblockers get toxic becuase they bodyblocked you just enough to wait out BT, so why go for the healthy one? I usually don't do the bodyblocking because I would rather hit the bodyblocker so he would be in the same boat (as the unhooked survivor) The bigger question is are YOU toxic for doing that? no, many might consider that tunnelling. But they're the reason why you were able to down them.
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As survivor, the player needs to understand that, if they are unhooked and wish to use their endurance to protect their rescuer, then likewise they may too become a target.
If I'm ever unhooked, the vast amount of times I'll peg it as far as I can away from the killer. If the person who unhooked me is injured already, my instinct may be to protect them. However, I'm also aware of the consequences, so if that does happen then it's to be expected. As killer, I'd do the same thing if the unhooked survivor tries to block me.
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Sounds to me like compensating for bad game design.
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Eh.
I don't really have an issue with it. If I'm proxy camping like it sounds like you were, I accept that as a viable and acceptable counterplay that Survivors can employ against my strategy. If people get upset that I might down them after they bodyblock, I generally don't really care.
I'd prefer it if they made the unhooked Survivor intangible for a few seconds. No tunneling right off of hook and no BT bodyblocking.
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Yup this is a one way street to tunnel town. I've notice that most people don't try it a second time if you stick them right back on a hook
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