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What do survivors actually want?
I play Wesker and I mainly go against 1000+ hour swf. I play him pretty decently and can get a down in under 45 seconds usually. The problem arises when I literally lose a gen every down because I don't have any gen regression perks since I never much cared about investing in the shrine and this month it's been pretty terrible. They literally sit on a gen as I'm right there in chase with someone injured which I can't leave otherwise they'll just heal up. I still play fairly, but when it comes down to one gen being left I facecamp because why would I want to lose my rank especially if I'm sure the last gen will pop any second anyway? The entire team always comes to save the unhooked person, body block me completely the entire time and never forget to tea bag me as if I couldn't have just tunneled the survivors off hook at the start. The toxicity is just absurd and I want to know if I can ever please survivors enough to not tea bag me and respect my plays? Is it too much to ask for a game where the survivors just leave instead of making fun of me facecamping endgame after they fully gen rush me? NOED is starting to look really nice right now in my loadout and I don't mind tunneling.
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You can do nothing to please them enough and you shouldn't try.
Some folks will just be sore winners and the only thing you can really do is just bear with it, stop playing, or play sweaty. Not much else to do considering there is nothing else on offer in DBD ever.
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This is called “the mathematical impossibility of winning a game against a coordinated SWF team.”
There’s nothing you can do except hard tunnel and camp. Get that first kill and then maybe if you’re lucky you’ll get a 2nd. Sometimes the survivors will be overly altruistic to try to save their friend and you can snowball the pressure.
Of course we’ll get a bunch of snarky comments from people who are too scared to play killer telling us to “git gud”. I welcome them to post their videos to show us how to get EZ wins against good SWF teams.
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I think its just another chapter in this flame war.
Survivors are told that their fun is not the killers problem and git gud.
Then you are going to get an increase of tea baggin, gen jockeys, and EZ NOOB!!11!!. Why not spit in the face of the enemy? This mole would camp you on hook if he could!
Which only makes killers just assume all survivors are jerks and play to max scum.
Which ends up in me hooked here, having a staring contest with this Leather Face.
Some cycle of abuse here.
Kind of sad really.
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Certain groups want to win 100% of the time and also have the ability to clown on you the entire time.
If you win its because you camped/tunneled.
If you didn't camp/tunnel it's because you ran X perk
if you didn't run any meta perks it's because you're playing an OP killer
if you didn't play an OP killer it's because you locked down part of the map
if you didn't lock down the map it's because you played so sweaty vs some pals joking around.
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It's okay that gens fly and you can't do anything about it, just consider it a win if you have fun chases!!!
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It is TECHNICALLY a skill issue, but it's not their fault.
They shouldn't be having to go against teams that are that much better than them, that's a failure of the matchmaker. However, to say these teams aren't beatable is simply incorrect. They are not beatable when the matchmaker ######### up and sends players like OP out to get massacred. They are completely beatable if the game were fair and sent them against people of their own caliber.
To OP, the ideal way to deal with efficient players is to play efficiently yourself.
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What do you want us to say? Give you the okay to tunnel?
You encountered a group of jerks that would be jerks regardless because they never went into the game with the intent of being nice.
The fact that this behavior sticks out to you means its exceptional and thus doesn't happen often. Definitely not often enough to make a thread addressing all survivors as if they're a hivemind.
Report them if its that serious and move on, when I play Killer, it immediately becomes obvious what kind of players the Survivors I'm playing against will be really early on. If I know they will BM in the exit gate I don't even bother going to it and just break pallets/doors.
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Just because I provided one example that happened today doesn't mean it's rare. Happens all the time I just tend to forget about those miserable experiences and don't wanna lie about it. It's happened so much times I would consider swf a hive mind because I don't tea bag ever as a survivor. The fact you assume it's rare tells me you don't play killer in high MMR to have an opinion on it. I don't go to the gate willingly but if there's a chance of knocking the survivor I'll take it. I can generalize about it just like how survivors generalize tunneling as a toxic thing...
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Depends on what you consider "High-MMR." I've grinded killer to Iri-1 for several seasons now and frequently go against survivors with 2k+ hours. I've also played against one or two big-ish streamers before as well. So its not like I play against people who don't employ meta strats. Most SWFs play to meme around or bully the killer, the SWFs that play super efficiently really aren't a big deal because the games are done quickly.
I'm just confused as to what you want people to do in higher mmrs, throw on purpose? If people want to sweat I don't see what's wrong with that. They're basically giving you the free pass to sweat as well and not be morally conflicted about tunneling/camping (which you shouldn't anyways but that's off-topic.)
Good on you for wanting to play nice, but that's a choice and you are not entitled to anything for playing nice. You should play nice purely because its fulfilling to do so. If it stops being fulfilling then stop playing nice.
You can generalize if you want, just know that it removes a lot of credibility from your position and diminishes the constructive nature of an honest discussion.
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Did you not even read the questions I wrote? Let me repeat them here: "I want to know if I can ever please survivors enough to not tea bag me and respect my plays? Is it too much to ask for a game where the survivors just leave instead of making fun of me facecamping endgame after they fully gen rush me?" Neither of your two replies even bothered answering those and instead talked about the bonus context? Never did I ever say they shouldn't gen rush me or throw the game I'm just asking what's the point of being toxic if I'm playing as fair as I can which is a whole other topic?
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- Who is your first question even directed at? Its a nebulous question that is impossible for any one person or group to answer, so what is there to discuss? Its a given that BM and being a sore winner is bad, this has been talked about to death. If you need to vent about it then go for it, but this is definitely not a novel concept.
- Some people will be toxic no matter what game or role they're playing just because that's how they are. The best combatant against this behavior is to call it out, ignore it, or be kind. Some games even offer you ways of reporting bad sportsmanship, this game does not do so effectively, which is the game's fault. You can try fighting it if you want, I like to fight back against bullies too, but you do so knowing you're giving them the emotional response they want.
- If you'd rather get BM'd to save time then just stomach it and try pushing them out, but it sounds to me like it tickles you pretty good, so I don't see how starting the EGC and afk'ing could be worse.
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1. My first and second question is directed at people who do those toxic things - it's no such thing as a impossible question and is actually aimed at a large group of players (maybe not you). A question about what provokes survivors to be toxic shouldn't be difficult to answer if there's legitimate reason.
2. I never asked you about the reporting system because those reports go nowhere unless someone is obviously hacking/you have video recording(s). Sure toxicity is some people's personality but to encounter it every consecutive game is concerning right? Also why should I give them a emotional response? I'm just curious about others' experiences on the subject and why they take the game so seriously.
3. There's something called 99ing all three gens so I can't start endgame countdown which should be fairly obvious to someone who goes against 2000+ hours survivors and sees going afk as a valid strategy, I simply assumed you would've understood that it happens.
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If someone is toxic in endgame chat you just say gg, go next, and forget about it. You cant please everyone and If you dont engage with them theyll eventually stop. They want to get a rise out of you. ppl will bm even if u sit in a corner and afk for 5 gens. That’s just how people are. It’s the nature of the game. It’s best to just take it as silly game banter and move on.
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Trust me I don't even bother with endgame chat unless I gave a survivor hatch/play friendly to see the wholesome side of DBD.
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Do you really believe a toxic person is going to come into this thread and answer your question? I'm not a toxic survivor by any means but I can already answer your question: because its fun. Its fun to get someone riled up, its fun to bully someone until they're raging, especially if you are beating them in a competition. That's it. Some people just don't think critically enough to realize that's its ######### to do so and that they should have compassion for their opponent. But the point is that most people do which is why BM is more rare than people seem to think, its just that BM sticks out in the brain more because people underrate positive experiences as a given. The 4v1 nature of the game just lends itself to this behavior happening.
I implied that you shouldn't give a response, as for taking the game seriously, what's wrong with that? I take everything I do in life seriously (within reason) and I strive to be good at the games I play. To me it feels like a waste of time to not care about the games I play. DBD is no different, and I'm sure other people feel the same.
I have not once in my entire time playing this game ever seen people 99 gens just to stall an EGC and BM, I've never seen it while playing survivor and I've never seen it while playing killer, so I have no idea why you would even bring that up as anything but an extreme anecdote. AFKing is a valid strategy if being BM'd annoys you to the point where we are at now. I personally have never quit or DC'd as killer because if the survivors want to waste time I can force them to end the game by killing them. Killers are far more effective at holding a game hostage.
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I swear sometimes we're playing different games. I've got like 3000 odd hours and I can count the negative interactions I've had on both sides with one hand. My end game chats are usually just ggwp or someone saying they got juiced well by someone or something.
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Just because you haven't experienced something it doesn't make it invalid. You explaining your experience is completely useless in validating your claim and emphasises the low probability of it happening but that's the problem right? It DOES happen just like crime, you probably won't witness a jewelry robbery but there's always a possibility someone else does so don't be so self-oriented.
Also don't give me stereotypical reasons about why people are toxic, I've heard it a million times. I don't go toxic unless certain things happen and the killer deserves it, hence why I am asking in case people relate to how I think an ideal (not perfect) killer should play and adopt it into my playstyle since I'm very specific. I prefer chill games where I get a couple hooks and go next without getting tea bagged and fighting for hooks. Don't write a whole essay about my reasoning because I ain't reading it.
Also did I ever say there was something wrong with taking the game seriously? I play laid back but seriously at the same time so I would be a hypocrite if I talked negative about it. I literally 100 percented 26 games and have an extra 112 games in my library. You keep assuming stuff and it's rather irritating.
Also one in four survivors BM'ing is far from rare and has NOTHING to do with psychology. I'm sure killer mains have experienced it way more than me.
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Just my luck :/
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Chat I don't really read or care so no problem there but if you can only count on one hand the amount of times you have been bleed out, you are one blessed survivor
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If you're going to sum up my very genuine reponses as an essay that you won't read, then I've spent enough time in this thread. I'm sure someone will come along and tell you what you want to hear so you can feel validated.
Good luck, have fun.
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if you are looking for sympathy, these forums probably aren’t best way to get it, it’s just a game, move on to next match like all of us do
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Survivors wanna be able to rock back in forth on the hook like a swing set.
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Go stand in a corner and stay there.
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So here's the problem with that proposal. People could post videos, and killers would reply that those survivors "aren't as good as the survivors I face". Some killers here could post videos of them 4k'ing in tournaments. Still wouldn't be enough, because the tactics would be invalid or the killers who think SWF is OP exist on a magical server where survivors are absolute demigods.
There is no evidence that many killer players would accept.
A survivor is in a chase next to an active gen? That's not gen rushing. That's throwing. It really is a matter of improving as killer, but players don't want to hear that.
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People are offering you genuine advice, and you're being pretty rude.
There is quite obviously no official rulebook, therefore there is quite obviously no official answer to your question.
You will almost always get tbagged, no matter what. Survivors who hide the whole game and do nothing, will still wait at the gate to tbag you. It also upsets me, I can take an L (if I have to) but the toxicity is infuriating.
Maybe consider being a little more kind to the people you are seeking advice. They're just relating to you and offering whatever tidbits they can..since, again..the official survivor committee isn't going to show up and tell you what to do to ensure not being tbagged. They will never stop.
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