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Could the Devs maybe show us how to play solo?
Would it be possible for one or two of the Devs to show us how to play solo queue at the moment? Since the update, many matches have been virtually unplayable. It would be great for Devs to prove to us that it's a skill issue and nothing more..
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:D
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They won't...
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Why? I think it'd be great to see them play.
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Because i am sure most of devs are not playing their game. So they have nothing to show us.
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Keep in mind that survivors dying most of the time may very well be the intended result. We could be thinking about the game very differently as players than the devs think of it. The devs might view the game as a horror experience against a powerful killer. Players often view it as a PVP game that happens to be asymmetrical and contains horror themes. There's a key difference in viewpoint there.
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The Devs do play the game though, they've talked about it before. I don't think it's too much to ask for them to show us the most optimal way to play solo. It would also settle a lot of "get good" and "it's a skill issue" arguments.
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They play at the company hq on a local network. I guarantee you they are not playing against VPN killers and teammates with 200 ping. The lag and uncertainty of speeds and prompts is what is the problem, stuff you won't see on a local network.
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I agree. I think it's by design. The problem in that though is it probably doesn't bode well for retaining new players, which is necessary for a game's ongoing survival. Unless the game is on its last legs or DBD2 is on the horizon? Who knows
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As others have mentioned, game play is most likely within their own group, not general public matches.
But even if it was: why do think they are good at the game (optimal way)? Being a game designer does not necessarily translate to being skilled at the game.
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Can you post some videos of your gameplay?
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They could show us how they play against a red ping killer while they explain why the ping limit is 2000 and not 300 ms.
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IIRC 2.5-3k is considered "balanced"
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Why do you need to watch the devs play to settle your arguments? Twitch is filled with survivor players playing solo who are escaping most of their games. Watch any of them and you can learn how to play.
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I don't.
I want the Devs to show us what is optional gameplay in solo queue. That's the reason I want to see Devs play. Settling the "get good" argument would be a by-product.
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Of course I could. I'm a casual gamer, so my games are not optimal. I'd be showing you a plethora of videos of the first person hooked being camped and/or tunneled, but that wouldn't be very interesting, would it?
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Again, if you want to learn how to play solo queue, watch Twitch. Go on YouTube. There are loads of content creators whose skill set is much more attuned to explaining things to people. People making things aren't always the best at explaining that knowledge to laypeople.
Learn how to loop, learn how to pay attention to what the killer and your teammates are doing, and slam gens. That's pretty much all there is to it.
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What are you expecting will happen? If the devs played one game and all escaped you'd be complaining it was just one game and doesn't mean anything. If they played one game and all died you'd be saying it's proof that survivors are too weak.
The game is designed around a 60% kill rate, thus a 40% escape rate. With SWF included in that number, solo queue is gonna be a fair bit lower, I'd guess around 30% escape rate. So yeah you're gonna die a bunch and not gonna escape much in solo queue, that's literally how it's balanced.
Now you can instead argue about how that isn't how it should be balanced and that it's gonna turn solo players away from the game. I'd certainly agree with you there, but this current arguement doesn't make sense.
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I have about 3000 hours in the game, so I'm not a pro by any standards, but I do know what I'm doing. You know?
The reason I want them to show us some footage of them playing, I want the Devs to experience solo queue as it is since the update, so they can either agree that there's something wrong that needs changing or everything is just fine. I also want them to play a killer game (without gen regression perks), to see how fast the gens go by and to see if they agree with most killers that tunneling the first is optimal gameplay. But I don't want to ask too much.
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It would be funny watching them try and explain how it's fair and fun to play while being bleed out by a bm killer.
4 minutes of the camera on them slugged, " Well.. yeah.. this isn't great but it's umm a valid strategy and we just can't do anything about it because umm....blah blah blah..."
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Imagine the devs playing and getting matched against a face camping Bubba hitting them on hook 😂
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I'm not even being an ass when I ask for them to play and let us watch, I'm genuinely curious - is this what they want solo to be like. Honestly no shade from me.
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And if they play solo and don't agree that there's anything wrong? What will you take away from that?
I play a decent amount of solo survivor, I don't escape as much as I'd like, but I escape enough. I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with the game balance.
There are issues for sure, camping and tunnelling should be made less profitable for killers (while still be options for dire situations). But in reality, far more issues for solo survivors come from other survivors. Player attitudes isn't an issue you can solve through game balance, as the most recent patch proves. A return to a similar level of healing ability as we had 2.5 years ago, but survivor behaviours have instead doubled down in retaliation instead of returning to the way we played 2.5 years ago before we were spoiled with CoH.
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I'm not saying I want them to side with anyone, I want watch them play solo and then give their honest feedback, be that 'yep, there's something wrong' or 'nope, this is what we intended'.
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It would be very interesting. It would be interesting to see how long you loop the killer or how fast they down you or your teammate.
Tunneling and camping only work because survivors let it work, and it would be interesting to see how often you/your teammates fail by feeding the killer.
Being casual is a “you” problem and not a problem with the killer or their tactics. If one side wants to play to win and the other is indifferent about winning, the side who wants to win will usually win, irregardless of the tactics used.
Of course, like so many posters on here, you won’t share videos of your gameplay. You’ll just deflect instead.
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I'm sorry this isn't about me or anyone I play with, this is about the solo queue in general. I think you're missing the point of my post. It's simple.
Devs, play a game of solo and give your honest opinion. Is this what you intended solo to be like?
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Or they get a sandbagging swf that spam unhook actions until you are dead while the killer is noding
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This is about you. You have an obvious complaint about solo queue, which is why you made this thread. But rather than be straightforward, you’re deflecting.
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I can't converse with you. If you'd like talk about anything else, maybe start a thread and I'll come join you over there. But right now you're taking away from the original post. Have a great day though.
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No, you just can’t have a proper discussion and are running away. You have a good day as well.
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yes it is quite normal to have a "mate" 70% of the matches on one day who lets himself die on the hook or dced, the next day it was "only" a couple who did it but with the streamer (fog whisperer) the main solo q plays it was still so blatant, he has 13k+ hrs he was ofc frustrated
but no... i'm just imagining it! i give everyone who says something with "skill issue" the chance to prove me wrong maybe i'm too bad ? i have 9k+ hrs main survivor win 95+% of my matches when i play Killer ("camper tunneller" yara yara) and juke killer for a few minutes normally, here's my offer to you, we go into Costum together, and we both play the same killer with the same map against each other, I killer against you and you against me and hopefully teach me how to play well as you can in solo q :)) (I'm from the EU) if someone says he's from NA that's enough xD then we don't need to talk any further, I've played on NA several times, not many people kill themselves because the killers can't even walk straight (the ping is more the real killer hehe)
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I like how you said he was just going to deflect instead of sharing some gameplay and he immediately started deflecting. I commend you for standing your ground in this discussion.
As for the topic, I don't understand where all of this hate for solo queue is coming from. I've never had a better time with it than after the last patch. It's super refreshing that gen defense perks are as good as gone and pressure comes from killers doing well in chase. I'm on an 11 game escape streak in solo queue right now (which I've probably just jinxed) and the only times I lose is when my team fails to buy enough time in chase.
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“Be a one man army. Then, and only then, will you master solo queue.”
How can OP loop the killer while also slamming gens? Do you realize this is a game of attrition so even if OP focused on gens if their teammates aren’t holding chase or completing gens that work won’t matter? Lol. The streamers you talk about carefully curate their uploads and admit that solo stinks. Where does that fit into your narrative?
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So my problem with this narrative is that this one person (OP) isn’t going to carry a team to victory through solo queue even if they’re an amazing looper or whatever. They said they aren’t a great survivor but tbh they shouldn’t have to be. And it really wouldn’t matter if they were. I’ve seen great survivor mains like Ayrun and Naymeti and really good killers who play survivor like Spooky Loopz and Otzdarva loop killers from start to end yet still die. And that’s a loss because they didn’t escape the trial, which is the win condition for survivors. It doesn’t really matter how efficient this one person or that one person is because this is a game of attrition. The only way OP could theoretically have a great solo queue experience and potentially win by themself is by bringing some sort of end-game selfish survivor build. Which you and your ilk discourage (sUrViVoR iS tEaM or whatever your battlecry is). I think you approached this argument in bad faith and that’s why OP ultimately dismissed you.
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No it isn’t. Most of these survivors escape 30-40 percent of their games. Turn on someone like JRM or Ayrun. These are objectively good survivors and they still don’t escape much. You’ve got 10k hours solo players escaping less than half of their games AT MOST. What do you think the game looks like for average players in solo? Meanwhile killer main streamers with similar experience win 90% of their games. It’s almost like the game is rigged against solo and not balanced in a way that solo players have a fair chance to win compared to killers and SWFs.
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They don’t have to be a good looper. The point of asking for videos is to see what they and their teammates are doing. To see how good or bad the killer is and to see how bad solo queue actually is for them. Is it really an issue with the game design or the players? Is buffing solo even more than they’ve already been buffed warranted or is it simply a matchmaking issue?
It’s not bad faith to ask for evidence. It’s bad faith when you run from a conversation or imply the devs don’t care or are bad at their jobs without actually saying so, like the OP did. They obviously have an issue with the game but they refuse to even have a discussion and just want people to jump on the bandwagon get ignored.
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This is somewhat misleading.
Although obviously personal skill matter while playing survivor one can only do so much without relying on your teammates in dbd.
The tunneling and camping only work if you "let it work" is simply not true. Many killers have powers that are certain death if they are commited to kill someone.
Bubba, hillbilly, iri-hatchet huntress, pinky finger clown can all guarantee a kill on a hooked survivor, whether it be the first one they hooked or the one that comes to trade.
Killers with strong chase power like Blight, Nurse, Wesker, can tunnel through BT, OTR, DS fairly easy.
It is not about how you "let work" tunneling/camping as much as what the situation let you do.
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Hmm. You really don’t need OP to provide video evidence of how people behave in solo queue. The experience of solo queue is a dead horse that has been beaten ad nauseam in these forums. You know solo queue players are inefficient. Everyone does. It’s talked about daily—and many other players provide evidence, including the most popular streamers. Hell, Otzdarva talks about how bad solo queue is //weekly//. The reason you asked for ‘evidence’ is because you want to try poking holes in OP’s argument. That’s where the argument from bad faith comes from.
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I do need to see some evidence because I, as a solo queue player, do not have the same experience as the OP does. Sure, I’ll see some tunneling and camping here and there, but it’s no where near as rampant as the OP or other posters on the forums claim it is.
The solo queue experience has only improved over the years. The devs have done everything they could to make it better for solo players and it’s become so much better with the active hud information.
The daily complaints about solo queue that you mentioned are just that, complaints. There’s hardly any constructive discussion at all. It’s usually Killer OP or Killer is too easy with zero evidence to back up their statement.
Solo Queue players being inefficient isn’t a problem with the game. The devs can’t make the players better. The devs can’t force a duo swf to do gens and not chase the killer with flashlights. They can’t force players to learn how to loop and not go down on 5-10 seconds. They can’t force them to play killer in order to learn how their powers and abilities work and learn how to counter them when playing against them. They can’t force survivors to care about each other and work together, nor can they force killers to play how survivors want them to play. It wouldn’t be the game we all got addicted to and trying to do so would kill it.
The only thing that needs work is matchmaking, but that’s never going to get better because there’s simply not enough players across all the skill spectrum to match people appropriately.
But sure, y’all can whine as much as you want and accuse people asking for a proper discussion of not being genuine.
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SWF >>> Killer >100x solo q, but sounds like you're the chosen one, would you prove what you say and show me and others how to do it in the solo q? 1v1 (killer and survivor) i want to learn from the master of solo q, I have a question: how many hours do you have and do you play on NA or EU?
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How would a 1v1 prove how well he performs in a solo queue team setting...?
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Would you mind providing video evidence on how you experience none of these problems as a solo-q player? According to your logic, you’ll be happy to post multiple videos or else your point is invalid :)
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I never claimed I experience none of these things, nor am I the one who posted a complaint thread. The onus to provide the evidence is on the OP since they’re the one who is having grievances with Solo Queue.
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Never said I’m good at the game or that I’m a master. I’m just intelligent and honest enough to recognize when an issue I have with the game is a “me” problem.
I play in NA and I have over 6K hours, mostly solo queue. Been playing since Stranger Things chapter.
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I simply asked to see the Devs play and give honest feedback. A lot of what you've said about my post is your assumption.
If the Devs played, give us feedback and said "yes, this is how we intended solo queue to be", I'd never again say a bad word about solo.
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No, you instead decided to be condescending instead. Plus, OP has clarified themselves multiple times and you’ve continued to press.
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Just because I’m not good at the game doesn’t mean I can’t recognize good and bad players.
Your teammates making bad choices or being bad at the game is not indicative of problems with the game but more so of problems with their skill.
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Ok, let's try to keep the discussion civil and respectful.
Thank you.
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I didn’t know asking for OP to be more constructive and for gameplay videos of their matches being “unplayable” is condescending.
I would say that the OP is the one being condescending towards the devs.
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OP has clarified multiple times that he simply wants to see how the devs would react to playing solo-q. Asking for his personal gameplay videos has nothing to do with the conversation.
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They play the game for sure. Are any of them good at it? That is an entirely different question.
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