Boil Over Buff

It's honestly not, most maps are wide open with hooks that are very easy to see and you usually go down right in-front or next to a hook, so the killer will just see a hook and transport you there without much trouble. The perk (with the second buff) would make the killer rely on sight instead of the bright "look at me I'm here" auras, so it requires memory and skill on there part to find a hook. The only issue would be the two indoor maps, but those are just 2 out of all the maps that exist in DbD and they really aren't that hard to find on either of those maps imo. Plus if the perk got buffed the second way, there wouldn't be any killers complaining about how a faster wiggle would be busted.

None? I don't expect this perk to increase survivor wiggle off rates by more than 5%, it would make the small instances where BO could be useful actually useful. Cornfield maps, Bedham, and Haddonfield aren't hard to see hooks on at all imo, plus I know general hook spawn locations on both which wouldn't be a problem for me if the second change went through. The only ones I could see a potential problem on are The Game and Lery's, more so The Game than Lery's. Lery's has hook spawn spots that can be seen easier because of the long hallways and fairly predictable hook spawn locations; it also doesn't have many blocked off pathways so actually getting to a hook isn't that bad. The Game is the only map I'd see any large amounts of trouble finding hooks on, but that is just one map out of the various ones in the entirety of DbD. Plus BO (the second suggestion) could be easily countered with IG or Agitation if the killer really wanted to chase down those far away hooks, but they'll most likely just find one that is nearby because of their spawn points.

So you'd rather have a faster wiggle? That's the most basic change that doesn't add an element of having to play differently for the other side, it's just a boring stat increase which I know will be less fun for both sides. BO could just have a bonus 8% wiggle, but where's the fun in that?

The only other idea I had for this perk is to allow your A and D inputs to be faster depending on how fast the player mashes A and D (obviously this would still have a cap to prevent from macro spamming, but it'd still allow faster wiggle based on the survivor).

I still think that my second idea is the best one because it requires more of the killer than "walk to glowing orb and press space"; memory is a skill, if you've been playing this game for at least 200 hours or more you should be able to a least know where hooks are generally and that only accounts for maps where you can't clearly see them. As I said before, most maps are very open and one to two hooks can be seen very clearly from almost any point on a map.

Any of the changes to BO would not make a wiggle guaranteed, sure it'd give the killer a harder time, but that's literally what every survivor perk does; making BO to actually be somewhat useful, while still being able to countered easily is not something that would be unfair. Again, if you're worried about the small chance of someone running BO (even when it had a buff) then you could just run one of the transportation perks. This buff would make BO's usability increase, sure, but it would be on the same line as Q&Q or Botany, something you'd see every now and then, but not that often.

By that logic, survivors should not have to run perks to counter killer perks; why should I have to run distortion or SS to counter Nurses Calling or BBQ&C, the killer should never be able to see my aura. Why do I have to run Botany or Leader to counter Sloppy Butcher? I should just be able to heal really quickly again. Do you see how this argument doesn't work? Running Agitation and IG is just an easier counter to the buff I suggested, every killer has eyes to see where the hooks are, hence why the second suggestion I did was the most fair because it doesn't have to have a perk to counter a faster wiggle effect. If 42 meters proved to be too far of a distance (I don't believe it is) then it could be decreased to 14/24/34 meters.

Which is why BO getting either a faster wiggle effect or an increased aura range disruption would be a partial counter to those carrying perks; but as I have stated before, wiggling faster is just a boring change, hence why pulling the killers skill into play with knowing where hooks are is better for both sides. Survivors get a better perk that might help them, with plenty of counterplay from killers who will most likely just hook the survivors as normal. The perk wouldn’t be overpowered, it would just be more useable, making it a mid-tier perk.

Side note, while Botany isn’t a direct counter to Sloppy, it still does negate its effects, giving the survivor running it an 8% increase to healing if someone has Sloppy applied to them. Sure Leader’s 25% is a direct counter to Sloppy, making the healing balance out to normal, but Botany can still a counter to it.

The skillcap is really low rn, in fact, it’s the lowest it’s ever been, especially for killer; besides, making 1 perk better to take it up from a garbage perk to average would only make the odd instance of someone running it would be isolated to that one person. If multiple people run it, so what, a killer has everything they need to be able to counterplay around it. It’s a singular perk change, not a base gameplay change, and a killer would have to do very minimal adapting to counter the second idea I proposed.

Hence why I said the area of effect on aura reduction can be decreased if the range proved too strong. Plus DS has been around for so long without it’s upcoming nerf (granted obsession is the only one who can instantly use it) and there aren’t many people who slug that out, having a BO buff would not cause that drastic of an effect, a killer still has eyes and a brain to remember where they saw hooks at.

2 Things:

1) I do not believe that I’m entitled to an escape, I never said that nor do I believe it. The idea I’m preposing would have little effect on killers that have half a brain.

2) You not caring where things are is on you, that’s your fault for not caring, because guess what; most killers do care and pay attention to that kind of stuff. Where the dead zones are, what pallets are up, what windows are open what gen placement best suits them, etc. So your very limiting way of playing leads you to not adapting to things. Like seriously, remembering stuff as killer is how you play it successfully it is 100% your fault for not being more mindful of things. I guarantee that a BO change of this nature would not effect most killers after the first couple times they face it.

Yeah, Boil Over is pretty useless at the moment. I think the wiggle off speed ought to be increased just a tad, as I get into many situations where I could've wiggled off had I just 1 more second. The effect of making the killer move side to side more usually aids the killer if they actually know how to position themselves when carrying a survivor. And I would know, as I have done it.

The point is to make a terrible perk better, that is the entire point of this thread, and do you see perks like DH or the current DS affecting good killers? Not that much, they know how to counterplay both those examples so that the survivor will only waste about 5 seconds of their time. I am not contradicting myself because it is a fact that a skilled killer will have the knowhow to counter perks that they’re up against; and saying that a BO buff would be pointless because killers could counter is very dumb. Literally every survivor perk has a counter in some way by a killer who knows what they’re doing, and a BO buff would be no different.

Literally all exhaustion perks have a counter-play of some sort, an addon counter is still a counter. Adrenaline can be countered with NOED or an insta-down killer and BT can be waited out or you can go after the person who unhooked to counter the perk. Current DS has 2 counters, dribbling and Enduring; the new DS has a very easy counter, don't tunnel.

Running a buffed BO will NOT I repeat NOT guarantee a wiggle off that is not the point, the point is to make it harder and that is the current point of the perk that is in the game right now, but the perk itself sucks. Any killer with eyes and a memory better than a goldfish will be able to counter the perk (even after a buff) without the bland % wiggle increase, that would be boring for both sides.