Seriously, what's going on with the killers during this event?
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TIL me hoping for killers to not slug me to death, facecamp from the beginning of the match or beat me on the hook as a common courtesy during an event is me whipping out the survivor rulebook
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Slugging, face camping, tunneling off hook, beating survivors on hook while nodding is all in.
Section 1 paragraph 2 of the killer handbook.
Because their playing a role and that role is to be an ahole their playing killer their allowed to.
In section 3 paragraph 5 of the handbook it goes on to say you are just a bot not a real person.
It's all in the killer handbook clear as day. You must read it to understand it 😃 😂 🤣
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And i stated im not defending it.
"By your logic, I'm supposed to just accept that the killers I verse want to ruin my games," Yes you are. You cannot change how other people play, only how you react to it.
If you're being slugged for 4 mins, take a break, i read wikipedia on my second monitor, use the W.C, eat whatever.
Same when im a killer waiting on survs to leave a game, i walk into a corner stare at a wall and do something else.
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Idk what killers you're been getting but all of the ones I've had have been either pretty chill or infants with less then 10 hours of total playtime
As if I needed more evidence that MMR isn't ######### real lol
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I have a hard time believing people play extra nasty because of the event.
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i'm currently on the ground for bleedout while the killer stays behind me and nods. hook is 2 meters away
edit for mandy, the killer used your beloved anon mode
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Unfortunately you get toxic on both sides. I killer main and the amount of flashlights (thank you lightborn) is ridiculous.
I only do my objectives during the event because I want survivors to get the rewards too.
But some people just can't help but be toxic even when it's clear you aren't playing to win.
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I’ve seen it, too. Believe it or not but some players enjoy ruining experiences for others.
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Wow. That is pretty rude. I don't get it. Like, I genuinely don't understand why one would do that. You just waste everyone's time and get less points than you would by hooking them.
But is it more common during the event?
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Flashlights aren’t toxic. They’re a tool just like your add-ons. Also there are a couple of “Stun the killer X times” challenges floating around from the recent tome.
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Flashlights aren’t toxic and more than not they help you as killer. The more people with flashlights the less likely they are to crank out gens. Longer games = Less pressure on killer
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To play devils advocate a lil here, did the killer player message/chat after the game saying their intention was to ruin everyone's fun?
Because that's really the only confirmation you have that the intent of the player was a spiteful attempt to ruin your fun.
You can perhaps infer that the intent was a spiteful attack on fun, because there are people whom find certain play styles "unfun".
But frankly trying to apply a rigid collection of arbitrary rules that you have imposed on yourself game wise (and in the process of doing so attached moral imperative to those rules meaning anyone else who doesn't follow them is evil and out to ruin the fun) is a really bad way to approach the game. Its like a recipe for ruining your own enjoyment.
Because people will play in all manner of ways and if they aren't breaking the game rules then its all just legitimate gameplay.
Also an event, and bringing event bonus items, doesn't obligate anyone to play a certain way or treat you a certain way.
So if you go into games with the expectation that people will play how you want them to and/or bring the items you want them to, then you are setting yourself up for a miserable experience, even more so during an event.
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It’s not hard to infer peoples intentions when they play the way OP described. Slugging people for 4 minutes, hitting and facecamping on first hook, hard tunneling at 4-5 gens. Tunneling and camping can be valid strategies but the situation OP pointed out is nothing but BM
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Well yeah it is very easy to infer and assume, that's why people do it.
I'm not happy with what happened in that game so I'll justify my unhappiness by imagining the worst about my opponent.
I use that assumption to attach a bunch of emotional imperative to game mechanics and demonize anyone who doesn't meet the standard of play that I've set for myself.
That's basically what the OP has done with examples of the play they think is not ok. The very first lines state this "My experience with this event has been awful the last few days. I main survivor, and pretty much more than half of my games have involved killers going out of their way to play nasty for no reason other than spite."
According to the OP... spite is the only reason someone would play like this.
Just to point to one popular example, camping Bubba. Bubba hook defends well, very well and defending your hooks as bubba can win you a lot of games for various reasons so its a common play.
Does it mean your opponent is a horrible person out to ruin your fun?
Could it be someone just playing into the strengths of their chosen killer with no further malice beyond a desire to win as easily as possible?
The answer is you don't know, but you can easily assume the answer you want and feel self justified in your anger about it.
Because lets face it playing to the strength of your chosen killer in order to win as easily as possible doesn't make someone spiteful, but we'll imagine they are because we didn't like it and anyone doing something we don't like must be spiteful... right?
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You’re looking too logically into things that are emotionally charged.
People understand that things like Bubba camping hooks and killers tunneling early are valid strategies and the logical choice if you really want to play to win. If humans had no emotions, this is how every game would be played. But that’s not how it works, these games suck when it comes to feeling. No one on the opposing side enjoys these games. That’s why people complain. You wait in a lobby for 3-5 minutes just to get 1 minute of actual gameplay followed by waiting to die and then wait in the lobby again. No one likes wasting their time. And before you hit me with the “not everyone thinks like this” I’m inclined to say the majority share this sentiment.
We’ve had this discussion before, and while I appreciate your optimistic viewpoint and perspective (you seem like a really good dude) the reality is that a lot of killers do these tactics to get a reaction out of people. Playing like this doesn’t mean they’re a horrible person, but it doesn’t mean that I and others can’t express disdain towards this playstyle (if you could even call it that).
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Yeah but disdain the playstyle not the person is my point.
Its fine to say "I don't like this" but that is different from saying "anyone who does this is scummy".
A discussion on whether legitimate mechanics are generally "healthy" for the game or not is different from a discussion about "how my opponents are nothing but spiteful"
Inability to separate these two things is what makes the DBD community as "toxic" as it is.
Its also what gets the reaction and fuels those who do play like this for that reaction.
Because lets face it, the event itself hardly justifies the level of emotional weight people often place on it and a lot of it is just gameplay.
Lastly yeah I'm sure we've even disagreed on things too, but the joy of civilized discussion is we can disagree and still harbor no real animosity toward one another. My motivation to play and interpretation of what's fun in game may be vastly different from yours but I still hope we are both having fun most of the time. (I say most of the time as the idea it will be fun all of the time is a stretch and with something as trivial as the outcome of an online game then it really is not what happens that matters but how to react to it).
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That we can definitely agree on.
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You are blowing this way out of proportion.
What does the killer get if they choose to bleed someone out instead of hooking them? What do they get if they beat me on the hook? What do they get if they choose to facecamp one survivor from the beginning of the game, ignoring the other survivors and leaving generators undefended?
They don't get points. They don't come any closer to 'winning'. So why do they do it? The only conclusion I can draw is that they do it to spoil the other person's experience. Nobody wants to be BM'd for playing a game. Nobody wants their cakes to be wasted and to only be able to play the game for a minute and a half before being facecamped and forced to sit on the hook and wait to die. Nobody wants to wait four minutes to bleed to death when there are hooks everywhere around them. There is NO logical reason other than spite. So why shouldn't I disdain the killers that play that way?
It's annoying that I need to emphasise this again, but I am NOT talking about typical gameplay. Playing to a killer's strengths is absolutely fine. Playing to win is fine. If it comes to a stage where you need to camp for a kill, fine. Tunnel someone out, fine. Playing to ruin the other player's experience while having it contribute nothing to your overall strategy is just uncalled for. It's bad manners. And unfortunately (I wish I was exaggerating) it is all I've run into. I've actually uninstalled and don't even know if I can be bothered to come back, and that's saying a lot during an event.
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I'll tell you something worse: a Wraith hooked a 92-lvl David twice. When I saved him he didn't want to be healed but decided to run around in the map (Autohaven) and drop ALL pallets. When reaching hooked or saved survivors he didn't save / heal them just running around. This also meant that he notified the killer of the presence of the others. This is the lowest of the lowest.
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I don't understand those people honestly. I've had some teammates who just don't wanna heal you, I don't get it, they don't even run EGC perks. Are they trying to play killer David since incentive is on survivor? Who knows.
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Sorry your experience was ruined like that. I know the frustration that can come out of games like the ones your describing. I've learned that in my experience, the type of games you get is dependent on the time of day. Any survivor games I play before 9 pm Eastern time are usually a very enjoyable experience where both sides have good games and high scores.
The second that it hits 9 pm though and when the BP bonus moves to killer, I'm done playing survivor for the night. You'll get 3 alc ring blights in a row, Nurses with infectious trying to end games at 5 gens, Spirits with mother daughter ring, constant Midwich offerings and hardcore face campers and tunnelers. I tend to only play killer during the nights now unless I'm playing with a buddy due to this.
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You won't get that from me.
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I recorded what he was doing. Not from the beginning but hopefully it will be accepted as evidence to a report.
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A game of DBD may involve getting eliminated early, getting left on the ground, being unable to participate... these are the legitimate gameplay threats you face as survivor and they are the reason you are trying to escape.
Yes you earn blood points, ranks etc but the core of the game is to avoid elimination and non-participation. If either of these two things are triggering then DBD may not be the game for you.
To claim that these scenarios are nothing more than people out to ruin others fun is blowing things out of proportion.
"The only conclusion I can draw is that they do it to spoil the other person's experience." <- This right here is my point.
It can be fun to play the monster as depicted in the game, the killer can have fun doing it. It may not give tangible in game benefit but it can be fun. It can be fun to face such a challenge and trying your hardest to escape such a fate, its the fun of playing survivor.
I don't mind if someone really plays the killer role because hey its what I signed up for, to try and escape from a vicious monster.
Its fine not to like the gameplay, its fine to complain about the gameplay, but to assume that the gameplay exists purely to ruin your fun because you don't like it, so anyone doing it is out to purposefully ruin your fun...
(I.E. "The only conclusion I can draw is that they do it to spoil the other person's experience," or "killers going out of their way to play nasty for no reason other than spite"
Frankly that's BS and just a gross overreaction to the gameplay in question.
At the risk of sounding confrontational the only thing evidently spiteful here is your opinion of those who play in a way that you don't like.
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I could see slugging people for 4 minutes till they bleedout as bm and hitting on hook over and over as bm but the others not.
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You don't think facecamping first hook of the game is BM?
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No facecampjng or camping first hookmcan be a strategy to help win, the earlier you do them the more effect they have
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I had a P90-something David pulling the same sort of stunts yesterday
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He hid his name. Then you had the first such match with him and for mine he decided to go incognito.
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I'll bite. What's 'fun' about it for killers?
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I guess many killers just think that winning equals the most possible BP which isnt always the case. Also there are a lot of survivor groups that also go out of their way to win as fast and as clearly as possible not thinking about the killers BP either. I had really many groups that burnt 3 terrormisu and 1 really strong survivor map to make sure that they get out. Also I got so many BNP during this event as many the entire past 2 months.
Some ppl just do it to ruin the fun, other ppl just do it cause they think winning brings most points. But it goes both ways not just the survivor side.
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I'm currently on the ground waiting for bleedout.
edit for mandy: anon mode again
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hi, i'm currently on the ground waiting for bleedout. guess its the 3rd time now since this thread at least for me
edit: from the players steam profil
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Had one killer today who would not stop trying for a 4k slug from 5 gens. We (I was solo, I suspect one other solo and a duo) were too altruistic picking each other up and she managed to get us all slugged finally. Hooked me, then hooked another, but that person managed to Kobe. They picked up their friend, who unhooked me, then took chase as the killer dropped the last survivor when the first Kobe'd. Me and the other 3 healed up and jumped on gens. We managed to get our s*** together and got a 4 man escape. I can't imagine how that killer felt.
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I'm sorry your games are like this. For the anniversary I play pretty normal with my comfy build of Shadowborn, Lightborn, BBQ and Lethal and let most survivors escape in the end (I know how hard it is to get these cosmetics).
But still you didn't answer my question. Is it more common during the event? For me it's extremely rare to be bled out on the ground, but I've read that others experience this much more often. So I really don't know. And as I said, I don't understand why one would do that.
The only times (as far as I remember) I've let people bleed out on purpose (once it happened on accident because the Laurie bodyblocked with DS and I couldn't find her anymore) were when they made themselves impossible to hook (good old RPD library) and a group on old Haddonfield that had the goal to deny me any hooks (I granted them their wish).
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Sadly happens with all events people do intentionally petty things or just sweat so hard games last like 6 minutes
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Sorry, I just forgot about your question. Yes it is absolutely unusual. i usually play in a mmr area where people play more civilized (no or very little bad manners) because they usually know how the other side plays (advanced according to one of otz last videos). Of course there are always exceptions, but it's particularly bad at the moment.
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That's honestly sad. I can see why killers and survivors might play extra sweaty but the part about bad manners is beyond me. It's irrational.
For you and anyone else with that experience, I hope your games get better soon.
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This exposed mechanic is the most unfun and broken part of the event. I can deal with vanishing pallets but this 0 skill involded walking behind with no possible counter on certain and open maps is just nonsense and takes a lot of fun out of chases.
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From my 6 years of experience I'd say this happens in every single event since I started & it always has!
Its not just killers of course there's a lot of survivors who will go out of their way to make things miserable for killers too.
Personally I've still largely done pretty well as a survivor & got all 12 event rewards on survivor in my first 12 games (didn't see that coming) but i've also been bled out for zero reason, had a lot of mori deaths (which I actually love compared to a hook) & hard tunnelled (as in sole focus from unhook ignoring all others no matter how long it takes to get me back on hook) at 5 gens, camped out & continually hit on hook.
When any of that happens I generally switch sides & play for 2 hooks each & let them go (with minimal actual farming or at least none before the 8 hooks)
But even then I've had messages telling me how bad a killer I am blah blah (best one told me to be a real killer & kill myself AFTER I carried them to the gate & let them go!)
This stuff happens all throughout the year of course but its just heightened during events.
Hope everyone gets decent games no matter what side your on!
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There's nothing to bite, its not bait.
In answer to your question basically its fun to role play the monster.
There is a reason role playing is popular... its fun... and to do that in DBD it can be rather vicious, but completely acceptable.
There is a projection of power element to it, which I'm sure even you enjoy too as a player. Its really fun when the killer can't catch you isn't it, that's the same projection of power.
We are wired to enjoy that kind of competitive win and while some may take it further than others, its still within the limits of the game rules and as such allowable play. Something that someone should expect to face when signing up for a game of DBD..
Killer is billed as the big scary antagonist and to project power as the big scary antagonist in that role can be a lot of fun. To try and escape from that same threatening monster can be just as fun.
Lastly if you have a preconceived set of arbitrary rules that define "good play." (As highlighted below from your OP)
"I've always been of the notion 'you scratch my back, I scratch yours'. If you're toxic to me, I'll be less inclined to make sure you have a fun time. But the teams I've been with have just been playing normally. It's like these killers are going into the match with the sole aim of generating salt and spoiling the match for everyone else."
You've also stated that there are clear times to apply your arbitrary rule set...
"I've played enough now to know the difference between playing to generate pressure (camping when you are surrounded by survs, tunnelling someone to claw back pressure) and playing to just be nasty."
So anything outside of your accepted play must be a malicious attack on your fun right?..
ie. "It's like these killers are going into the match with the sole aim of generating salt and spoiling the match for everyone else."
I would posit the notion that facing a player hell bent on playing the killer role to its fullest can be just as fun and exciting as facing a killer who plays in a more measured fashion.
As I've said before nothing wrong with a discussion about something you dislike and whether or not its good for the game... but that's not what you are doing here is it? If it is then you framed it very poorly.
Calling everyone who doesn't conform to your personal arbitrary ruleset spiteful and out to purposefully ruin your fun is just plain nuts.
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Played last night. Gens were going off at a crazy rate. I think honestly it's frustration. Here is the thing...if you can attest that it's bringing out the worst in Killers it's ALSO bringing the worst out in survivors. This community is frustrated with eachother and blaming the other for it. I will say I do think in my experience I completely understand how the tunneling and camping starts. Survivors are flashlighting, have burst and fast gen tools. I can't tell you honestly how much slower all my Killers feel right now. It's like running in glue. There is a lot of frustration which results in trying to feel vendicated in matches as you go. But I do think the game changes force tunneling and camping for Killers.
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I just had a Nemesis game were he kept slugging us and letting us bleed out at 4 gens. I don't understand why waste our time.
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