The Pigs Power is Outdated.
Im a Pig Main worth of 2 Years of gameplay.
(From 2020-2022.)
And in all of this time, i have seriously not found her playstyle any fun.
She might have been my most liked Killer, but never was her playstyle any fun to play. It just felt too limited and like no one gave a Flux if she was good or not as long as they were having fun.
And to saying: "She needs A Buff/Rework." most people disagreed because of this and that.
Fun Fact: I was in a Discord Server of many DBD players and when asking this question i got 10 Replys and a full conversation with these people. Final Verdict of all of them were: "No, she doesn't." which gave me total confusion as they would even mention that she was B Tier.
However, after trying, playing and experimenting with her for a few days now.
I think she needs a serious Make-Over.
Aka. Rework.
Her power is tottaly outdated with what we have now.
Why? Remember how the Developers tried to fight fire with Fire and started to bring in Toxic Killers like the Nurse ALLLL the way Back in 2016-2018?
Which's purpose was for Killers being able to enjoy this Toxic Behaviour too?
This is EXACTLY how Amandas power feels like.
If you have the Standard of trying to play Serious with Mrs. Piggy and not being a total Screwhead, then my friend, im afraid you're going to loose.
However, if you play with a Mindset of:
A extremely sour and Toxic DBD Player from 2017 and don't give a single ######### about anyone, then you suddendly start to see the Kills comming in.
Which is exactly what the Pig's Power feels like it was meant for.
Camp The Boxes when a Survivor tries to take their Active Headtrap off, don't give a ######### if they are injured and got fresh off the hook, a Kills, A Kill.
Abuse your ability of undetectable and wait for the other last Survivor to get the other last Survivor off the Hook so you can get both of them.
Equip: "Save The Best For Last" So you dont get run over by Survs and your actions become unbearably fast.
Use Perks that break Pallets fast and one that Regresses a Gen without you needing to do much. (Corrupt Intervention.)
I went from having 1Sacrifices every 3 Matches with Bad Players.
To Having 3-4 Sacrifices every Match, No matter the Players.
I had a Leon (55), Vittorio (67) and Kate (83) in my lobby whom were all playing together with their matching usernames. I used the Mindset of what i mentioned above.
I got 4 Sacrifices and they couldn't even finish the last Generator without me even checking them.
The Problem is that as a more Survivor Played Leaning Person i just get how unfair this is, because you basically cannot do Anything about it.
Which is something that was supposed to be in the past now but with this old Power still exists.
As you can see, just because i was toxic, i got free game and got easy kills.
This is not what Behaviour is Trying to make Dead by Daylight into today and it is horrendous that her Power is still in that sort of Area.
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Can you give a summary (list) of perks you used for your matches? I'm interested in it.
I'm planning on returning to Pig and play some matches and I need some tips.
Personally, she needs one simple modification: the transition from standing to crouching and vica verse should be faster. And that's that.
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Yeah I honestly think she is probably the worst killer in the game atm. At least Trapper can end a chase early with a lucky trap, Pig is an M1 killer whos power only activates once you secure a down with no power lol
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- ambush should be basic attack (its literally programmed as an extended lunge)
- ambush should charge up a little faster/slow you instead of stopping you
- combat straps basekit NOW
- 4m/s crouched
- bring back 24m TR piggy
- traps should instakill you if you try to leave with it on even if unactivated. Late game piggy forever.
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Are you legitimately saying brutal strength is OP?
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Pigs crouch should definitely be reworked to be as smooth and free as ghostface
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Where did i mention Brutal Strenght or any other Perk? Im talking about her power.
Also, whilst trying this i didnt even use Brutal Strenght as whilst it might come into handy it just felt more like a waste of a perk slot on her.
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- Save the Best for Last. If you're unlucky and get the obssession first i would simply break the chase and go for someone else. But before that it would always make sense to injure that Survivor because that puts them under more pressure.
- Corrupt Intervention. Gurantees a bigger frame to find Survivors and partially stops them from gen-rushing or hiding.
- Spirit Fury. Breaks Pallets when you broke 2 Beforehand and when you get stunned. Combine this with Enduring Tier III and hit into the pallet on purpose so the Survivor will definetly stun you with the Pallet, then it will break and you will only have a very short stun time and you are guranteed a hit if you go forward for like 2 Seconds. STBFL will then do its joj and shorten the wipe Animation which grants you more speed and if you have 6 Stacks already then that second hit will definetly follow shortly after.
- Enduring. What i said above. Is kind of a better Perk for Pig than Brutal Strength as it reduces the time of the Stun and feels like a identicsl Speed Length to Brutal Strenght when breaking a pallet.
Add-ons:
- Crate of Gears. (Very Rare, Purple.) (Gives a better Time-Frame to find survivors at boxes and shortens the Headtrap Placement time by a LOT.)
- Combat Straps. (Speeds up crouching and uncrouching by 30% which makes it more smoothly and hides you faster. Isn't a must and can be replaced by something else but for me personally, this is gameplay wise a big improvement on her power and a lot of help.)
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Pig never had a 24m TR. It was 28m.
Inactive traps not instakilling you when you try to leave is for a very good reason. It would be unfair with the Endgame Collapse. You can still make good endgame plays as Pig, you just have to get the traps on just before the last gen is finished, then you can open the gates and everyone with an active trap will likely die either way.
Pig's crouch is tied to her stealth, unlike Ghostface who is on a separate cooldown. It should probably be made a little faster, but making it as fast as Ghostface really isn't an option.
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I think you find the Pigs power outdated because you've been a Pig main for 2 years, you've exhausted everything it has to offer.
I've been 'maining' Pig for only a few months, and I think it works great. I get plenty of mileage out of her Ambush, her traps provide innate slowdown to I don't need to include and regression perks and can focus purely on info and chase perks that allow me to play as a stealth killer and take full advantage of that.
The only thing I would change, which I wish was true of Ghostface too, is that crouching shouldn't reduce your movement speed. It's antithetical to a stealth killer's power. If you want to catch up to a survivor in good time, you need to not be crouched, but then you're also not in stealth mode, so you're not able to use your power effectively.
Luckily the crouch speed add ons for both killers essentially bring them up to regular speed now, and I'm not too hard done by in using these add ons, but I don't think they should be necessary.
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The last one is bad idea but except this, i agree. Pig needs some buffs.
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Can you explain why "Save the Best for Last" is a good perk? In what situations does it come handy?
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pig is the best killer for the main menu. no annoying sound effects.
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I do wish she was a little faster while crouched at base, and that her roar didn't start at the very start of her Ambush but a tad later into it.
Her traps are somewhat more consistent than before, but it is still soul crushing whenever so many do remove them very quickly.
Smart survs 99 the gens while a trap is active, which also reduces her effectiveness. The recent change to Pop can help with that a little.
I too miss Endgame Piggly Wiggly as well, but the addition of EGC forever squashed that.
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In my experience from researching Pig mains from being an aspriring Pig main, is that the Pig's natural slowdown has potential, especially with the right add ons, to make the Pig pretty nasty... she is in a nice category where she can focus on more aggressive perks, because her gen slowdown is naturally part of her kit....
However her main issue is she is fundamentally weak in chase, even with strong perks. Her ambush is really cool when you get to actually use it to mind gaming pallets... but any Survivor who knows what they're doing just ditches you and runs to the next loops...
I remember Otzdarva in 6.7.0 video suggesting that her ambush needs to be made good in direct chase. Buff all the numbers so she crouches, moves, charges up and lunges faster. This is one approach.
I've seen other suggestions of allowing her to break pallets or even be able to vault them with her ambush.
All of these sound cool... of course one of Pig's issues is her natural slowdown has a tendency to really mess up off meta/low level players. She consistently kills high at low levels.... so any buffs to her high level MMR will widen the gulf at low MMR, so her slowdown would have to be toned down to compensate...
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I've been a Pig main for 3 years... I find her fun
Why exactly makes you feel that way... just a question
Yes her stealth is a bit slow... crouching could use a speed up, plus the TR reduction could use a speed up
Her ambush could use a tweak or 2... but it's all right for now
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Literaly the only problem with Pig is that for some reason people think tunneling an active trap is a good idea. 🤷♂️
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I picked up Mrs.Piggy. aka. Amanda Young because of two reasons.
She's from the Saw Franchise and a very Interesting and perfectly Designed Character to me.
She was a stealthy, trap-setting Assasin who put people who are in the wrong into a John-Inspired Trap and just like him, carried on his lineague. (Even if most of her Traps were fng rigged.)
My Problem with her simply is that if you compare her to other Killers, she massively falls down.
Shes not a feared Killer, for Most people i know shes even a boring Killer to go against and her Ambush Attack is just not in a shape you expect it to be in the current Meta.
Wesker, another Licensed Killer, can easily GLIDE across Pallets and get a Survivor.
Amanda needs to use her Ambush Attack and take a guess and even during this the Survivor could EASILY leave the loop and then you basically have no more chances.
Im not saying you shouldnt enjoy her because i simply dont, because everyone has their own opinions and if you're happy with her, then who the hell am i to tell you not to?
The Fact simply is: Imagine if she does get the recognition she deserves and a few buffs and the next time you play her, your games become easier, shes more fun to play than usual, people like her, shes a very balanced Killer then.
Wouldn't that be a Dream to you? Well, for me it is.
The Reason why i think she just isnt good is because her current power still feels like it was meant for the Old Days, literally considering nothing has changed about her.
Which is as i said, what his post is about.
Yet i do see that just some tweaks and changes could fix her already.
My Suggestions would personally be this:
The Crouching Needs to be faster.
The Ambush attack needs to be able to somehow help you during loops.
And to her traps?
I would only change these things about them:
- Neither the Pig or the Survivors can see the Billy Boxes, unless they are in a radius of 32 Meters. This makes her traps actually scary and disables the Ability to play her in a toxic way.
- The Boxes therefore are reduced to 3, yet the search time will be considerably longer.
- Once the Survivor has obtained a Key from a Box, the Timer will add 12 Seconds onto itself and the Survivor needs to put into the key by performing the Same Skill Checks as the ones you have to do when taking down a Skull Merchant drone.
- The Current Green Addon: Rule Set. No 2 will have its effect changes that when a Survivor has this Skill Check, they need to perform 6 Skill Check Boxes, instead of 4.
- (Side Idea: Instead of Having a 3rd Box, it will be changed to a rotting Pig Head or Corpse that the Survivor needs to put their arms into and search. Just like Amanda during her first Test after she stabbed the guy on the floor. (This is just a Idea for Shock. I myself hate gore and DBD has strict rules when it comes to that so this is just a small suggestion.)
The Reason why i would exactly change it like this is because it would definetly suit the Saw Franchise better.
Sure, you found the Key but no one in a hurry can easily push a key in that easily.
We even saw it with Amanda during her first Test from John. The Lock was BEHIND the Headtrap and she was having really panicy trouble even reaching it. Especially with Bloody fingers.
I dont think anything is going to change about her.
But im certain that if they let her stay like this, she goes from being C-B Tier right now.
To Being a Low D Tier in a Year because the Meta changed yet again.
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If you mean me by it, sorry to dissapoint you but i dont have that mindset.
Im a very fair and kind Killer which is as you can see, why i main Mrs.Piggy.
Those Matches i meant were experimental and only 10 of those which all of them happened in Silver IV, which wont hurt anyones rank either compared to the 450 Other matches were i was the Kindest Killer and didnt use these methods.
Yet there are some people that do have that mindset...
Its pretty simple:
The Cannibal, aka, Bubba can use his chainsaw to camp people on the hook, but why would anyone do that?
Well, if you know, mostly all of them.
Thats what they're known for.
If people see a oppurtunity and don't give a flux and dont care about others, they will simply use and abuse that oppurtunity and as i said, the Pigs power currently feels like one of those oppurtunitys.
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Not Sure if you mean me by it, but i dont have that mindset.
Those 10 Matches i experimented with wont hurt anyone in comparison to the 300 Matches where i was one of the Kindest Killers you could ever encounter.
So if you mean me by it, sorry, you got the wrong person.
Yet to other people...
Simple Example:
A Bubba can use his chainsaw to camp you on the hook. But what person would do that?
Well as you might see and know, mostly all of them.
The same goes for the Pig in this situation too and any other Killer when it comes to camping.
Give the wrong person a potential to be strong by doing the unthinkable and they use the living beast out of it.
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No, no... I don't mean she doesn't need some changes but overdoing it would mean a lot more
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I don't want her overbuffed. I agree with you there too.
Otherwise the Community would begin to hate her and ask her to be nerfed, which would mean she gets terrible nerfs again.
I also think that she just should recieve some tweaks that make her a decent Killer that still gets rewarded in the same way as usual. (Playing Strategically against the Survivors results in better win-frames.)
Meaning faster Action-Speed and as said, an ambush that can be used strategically to block loops.
Perhaps when chasing a Survivor long enough, something could activate that extends her loop and gives her a little speed bonus or whilst near a pallet.
However, if that would be too much, im not sure myself.
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Faster Crouching and standing
Faster TR reduction
Longer Ambush??? (I don't know about it)
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