Doc's Perk values suggestions

Khalednazari said:

All the ideas are great, except the rework idea on Thanatophobia. It's already a widely used perk, and it doesn't need a buff. Sometimes, it lasts all match since someone or the other is already injured, if the killer is playing well. And the dead hasn't been left for dead, we already have the perk 'Dying Light' for it. 

Nickenzie said:

DocOctober said:

• Up The Ante: buff the numbers to 2/4/6 %.

@DocOctober Great job on the changes, well done! However Up The Ante will become the new Decisive Strike with those numbers, I'll explain with math. So your version of Up The Ante with 3 tokens will give every survivor including yourself a 18% chance to all RNG actions, not bad but let's look at specifically the "Attempt escape" action when your on the hook. It's a 4% currently on 2.0, so your new kobe % will be 22%, holy moly! 100%-22%=78% to not kobe for one attempt, now let's cube that number, 78%^3=47.4552% to NOT kobe in 3 attempts. Let's use slippery meat to spice it up 78%^6=22.51996% to NOT kobe in 6 attempts, oh boy, the new Decisive Strike! Yeah you'd have to use 2 perks to have a 77.48004% chance to kobe and all 3 survivors for the best % chance. However being able to safe yourself from the hook is probably the most powerful thing in the game. "Dang, I got hooked... hey guys just keep working on generators and I'll unhook my self when the killer leaves." "Okay, we'll keep working on generators." Yeah, it's RNG but your likely going to kobe around a 8/10 ratio so it would be rare to not kobe.

@Nick said:

• Alert, Bond, Plunderer's Instinct, Premonition, Spine Chill: buff the ranges to 24/32/40 metres, the base ranges are too low.

This is a nerf for Premonition im pretty sure? Because it will proc. too many times when he's not even coming for you.

• Hope: reduce the numbers to 3/4/5 % and remove the cool-down timer.

Just remove the cool-down. No one is going to use it anyways.

• No Mither: make the Survivor start off as healthy, then apply the No Mither effect upon the first hit, has no effect on Thanatophobia

This takes away the power of No Mither. Combining it with Resillience etc. Now you have to find the killer first to even get the bonus.

• Windows Of Opportunity: remove the cool-down or reduce it to the same values as Quick & Quiet.

Nah it's fine.

• Beast Of Prey: remove the cool-down, there's no good reason for having one.

Devs tested this and they said that it would be way too strong. But I agree, 2 minutes is too long.

• Make Your Choice: make the icon light up when out of the specified range, like Devour Hope

And don't let the survivor know that he's exposed untill he gets hit? So you will always have that first suprise down like Devour

I agree with all the others

Agreed on Premonition, I'll change it a bit.

Hope is a rather strong Perk with its current percentages, people underestimate the extra-distance that is takes Killers to catch up to a Survivor running Hope, it will oftentimes decide if one reaches the exit or not.

I see a lot of requests for that No Mither buff, I'm surprised that I get that many negatives now.

As for Beast Of Prey, since it still activates with Bloodlust, which means 15 seconds of a chase and you losing out on points, I don't think that it would be too strong.

As for MYC, I only want its Perk icon to light up when the range for it to trigger is obtained, just like how Devour Hope notifies you that you're 24 metres away from the Hook. I don't care about the Exposed notification.

@tovelo said:
Thanatophobia: make it take into account dead Survivors.

that's a big no.
other than this i agree/fine with all

Mind explaining why it's a no?

@Autoliny said:

@DocOctober said:

Survivor Perks

• Botany Knowledge: buff the percentages by 10 %.

I think that would be nice change, this perk was great back when SC was OP, now it's rarely used, I would have been fine with this getting a buff when SC got nerfed, but if you plan on being a medic, best to use we'll make it

• Hope: reduce the numbers to 3/4/5 % and remove the cool-down timer.

I assume you mean give it infinite duration, Hope is under used but a great perk combine with no-one left behind, you don't see it because people are selfish. If you give it a permanent effect all your doing is creating those games where the survivors don't want to leave, with the changes coming to whispers, they will just troll knowing that you'll not catch them, so no I would say.

• No Mither: make the Survivor start off as healthy, then apply the No Mither effect upon the first hit, has no effect on Thanatophobia

I like the thought of that, Information is key in this game and knowing you have someone that is injured from the start is valuable, and killers know you're going to have DH with the current changes coming to exhaustion, you'll be a free kill.

• Resilience: buff the numbers to 5/10/15 %.

I could enjoy this getting buffed, fun perk as it throws off the killers muscle memory.

Killer Perks

• Brutal Strength: buff the numbers by 5 % to re-instate its former speed.

Did you forget that the initial speed of BS was split between the killers and the perk, so although the perk got nerfed, all killers got buffed, I feel it's good as is,

• Fire Up: buff the numbers by 6 %, so that the maximum is 16/18/20% on 4 Tokens.

I really like this change, I still don't think it's enough, but with other perks currently released I feel that it would be a nice change

• Iron Grasp: buff the numbers to 5/10/15 %.

Buff isn't needed for this perk, it's a no fun tryhard perk, Agi is better than it by far and the only reason people would want it buffed is to drag people back to the basement, as of the last hook change, you can't turn around without seeing one, unless I'm killer that is lol

• Monstrous Shrine: make the Perk affect all Hooks with the current values and buff them for the basement hooks.

Although you think along the lines of the perk being useless, having to drag a survivor back to the shack isn't worth the effort or going to save you any real time, having this apply to every hook would mean that camping is rewarded more so that it currently is, I think everyone can agree how bad that is.

• Pop Goes The Weasel: increase the timer to 60 seconds.

+

• Surveillance: Remove the timer. It's nigh impossible to damage 3 gens within 16 seconds and there's not really a good reason for it to have one in the first place, it's the weakest Killer Perk, the Killer's Déjà Vu.

Considering your image is of the Doc I say hell no to these changes lol, I find the timer on PGtW to be really annoying, I assume with these perks they wanted 3 Gen strats to slow the game more, but not control them, Given that the Doc is disgusting in 3 gens strats, I think he played a massive part in these perks being underwhelming.

Brutal Strength:
Breaking a pallet with Brutal Strength is currently noticeable slower than before the nerf. They said they wanted it to feel equal after the nerf since the base speed got buffed, but they didn't. The Perk was nerfed.

Hope: Hence why I lowered the percentages, I don't think it would lead to post-game trolling.

Iron Grasp: as you said yourself, it's ######### in comparison to Agitation, but I can't think of a better buff than to increase its percentages a bit.

Monstrous Shrine: Actually, long hook stages are one of the reasons Killers camp more often lately, they can't afford to have every Survivor on the hook for 90 seconds each. Monstrous Shrine would reduce it and give Killers some slack in regards to time.

Your last argument doesn't make any sense to me. I've read it multiple times, but I don't get what you're trying to reason and what a longer timer to be able to reduce a Generator has to do with the 3-gen strat.

And please, do not assume anyone's motives based solely on their avatar. I am indeed a Doctor main when I play Killer, but that's never been my motivation for any of these changes. I'm just as much an Ace main as Survivor. I also rarely do a 3-gen strat unless I feel pressured because the game goes too quickly.

@ASpazNamedSteve said:
Love all of these except for a few, like Thanatophobia would still be trash, and changing No Mither like that kinda feels like its taking away from what the perk's meant to be.

Really good changes though, nice job man.

Yet there have already been people expressing their dislike of my Thanatophobia buff.

@Irisora said:

@DocOctober said:
Good, frankly I don't really care about the last few comments. I disagree with arguments that don't want a change to happen it would be strong on 2 out of 23 Maps or for 1 out of 12 Killers.

I understand the reasoning, but don't accept it as an argument.

Nice i give you a thumbs up with most changes you suggest except 3 and you respond in that egocentric way?

First of all who gives an argument here is only me, because you are saying that you disagree with anyone that don't want changes in some subjects. And that's not an argument neither logical response. So well as shocking as it can sound to you there are things in the game that should stay the way it is, and if you don't think the same way then give proper arguments instead of a vague and hostile answer like that. And also you are wrong.

First, the huge buff to Boil over you suggest can affect every killer not one, and second it affect 8 maps with sight blocker not 2:

Crotus prenn asylum:
disturbed ward
father campbell chapel

Haddonfield:
lampkin lane

Backwater swamp:
pale rose
grim pantry

Lery memorial:
treatment theatre

Springwood:
badham preschool

Gideon meat plant:
the game

This maps are also very survivor sided, many burn offerings for them and buffing that perk to that lvl will bring no good to the game in any way, from escapes of the killer grasp to more non-obsesion DS triggering.

If you are going to suggest perk changes then be more open minded.

I decide how open-minded I am.

Boil Over is niche Perk at best, even with the buffs I suggest.

I think you overestimate its effectiveness and the range a Killer can carry a Survivor. The normal carrying range is ~50-55 metres before the Survivor wiggles free. Boil Over would only hide hooks up to 24 metres on Tier III, still showing any Hook outside that range which is still easily reachable by the Killer.

The reason I want to increase its range is simply because it's currently way too short. I have been affected several times by Boil Over, yet always had what I would consider nearby hooks show up for me because its current range is really not that much.

Changes are, that the hook it hides is one that you wouldn't have noticed yourself anyways even with the Aura-reading because you were so close to yet look in a different direction.

@Daddy_Doctor said:
A timer once Blood Warden has activated would be great too.

Could you elaborate that? What timer?

@Daddy_Doctor said:
Like a countdown once the spikes are up. So as a killer you know how long is left before ppl can escape.

Ah, I see. I'll add that as a suggestion.