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Unpopular Opinion: Legion Is Not Boring...
I use to agree with the statement "Legion is boring" a few years back or so, but after doing a lot of testing, and a lot of public matches later, and I personally just cannot agree with it anymore.
The issue with Legion has nothing to do with Legion itself, it is entirely your teammates.
Legion's entire power based around removing Survivor's ability to group up effectively. This means that the only counterplay for Legion's power is splitting up... it's 2023 and everyone knows this.
Here is the thing about Legion. People always say "Legion is a mending simulator" and "they never dedicate to a single chase" yet you never bother to why that is? How about we take two steps back and look at what I previously wrote and maybe youll get the hint... yea... yall are grouped up.
I know a lot of people will argue that they "spread out" but how spread out are you really? If Legion is not dedicating to a single chase, or forcing you to mend constantly, then YOU (yes, YOU, the Survivor) are not spacing out enough.
Legion is boring, not because of their power, but because YOU make it boring for yourself, because YOU wont space out enough, because YOU refuse to actually learn real counterplay to Legion.
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MF I AM TRYING TO SPREAD OUT BUT I HAVE ZERO CONTROL OVER MY TEAMMATES
I LOVE MENDING BECAUSE MY TEAMMATES ARE BAD
That's not on the Legion player, it's on my teammates but that doesn't change the reality of Legion matches at all.
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Some of you people don’t understand what goes around in solo queue. It’s not as simple as learning counterplay, which Legion definitely does have that, but it requires teammates to cooperate. That is not reliable at all.
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This, I don't mind playing against legion at all, it's the constant mending and healing being done against him.
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I play SoloQ and literally have no issues against Legion.
Sounds like a matchmaking issue for yall then.
Would recommend reaching out and maybe finding people to play with though, who knows, maybe youll form a friendship that lasts a lifetime, that's how Ive met a few of my friends, is through DBD.
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Yeah except legions counterplay only exists for swfs. No solo team can effectively communicate their position and spread far enough to negate legions power.
Not to mention he just has zero counterplay in frenzy. He becomes a survivor that can damage you. Super fun for the killer but hell for the survivor. Only 360s and pallet stuns are actual counters to frenzy chases, the former relying on the killer being bad/console.
legion is absolutely boring. Even if you run away to a corner of the map, your terrible teammates might not and end up giving him 3 stacks of frenzy. Guess what, now if he finds you its YOU who gets insta downed even though you are the only one smart enough to try and use counterplay!
Plus if you are on a small map no amount of spreading out can save you. Not unless a navy seal swf runs to all four corners of the map the moment one of them calls out legions frenzying.
Reasons you lose to legion:
- Bad teammates
- Map RNG
- Lack of communication
How to beat legion:
- Have good teammates in soloQ or get a swf
- Bring a map offering/hope to RNGesus
- play in swf
And then you end up injured all game and mending forever because your teammates cant counter and legion has almost no counterplay in chase. Pinnacle of fun.
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I'd rather just not play Survivor lol
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How to beat legion
break his 3 gen asap The further he has to travel the better
run away form the gens as soon as You see some one gets deep wounds
If your a swf have one person stay on the other side of the map to deny 4 hits
If your solo watch what your mates ate doing you might have to be the one across the Map and do unhooks if your healthy
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Literally just had a slugging Legion game where he had Hex: The Third Seal and he kept defending it with his life and had the extra four second mending add-on...
Facing him on solo queue is unbearable.
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People just hate Legion i think...
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Pretty decent Legion build. I personally would not run Corrupt though since it splits up Survivors.
I dont really run slowdown that much, I prefer chase/information perks
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He’s not boring at all to face. He’s only boring if the survivors are playing bad in the first place. If you keep rehealing against a legion that’s misplaying and if you’re all injured he’s rarely using his power at all anymore aka barely anymore mending to do now. Every match against a legion I maybe mend 3 times max, that’s nothing, and being very generous with 3 even.
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Legion is easy to counter. But solo que exist. Even then legion is boring to face. Constantly injured and mending is lame. I played vs two legion games back to back and the second game i just killed myself on first hook. The first game was a boring slog fest and i wasn’t interested in another match
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Im glad you enjoy Legion and im not going to say anything to dissuade you from having fun with him. He is a basic M1 killer, and if you like that, then thats perfectly okay. You dont need to convince me or anyone for that matter of anything. I prefer playing Artist, Wesker (who doesnt lol), nemesis and plague, but that doesnt mean necessarily that I find Legion boring. He can actually be really mean to survivors with his purple knife addon (making survivors spend an extra 4 seconds mending after you hit them with your power makes people just miserable because it takes such a long time). It's all a personal preference.
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sorta on topic
But please stop doing coop gens against a legion
assume all legion players use discordance
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It can go either way depending if your teammates have the brains to spread the hell out.
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Well opinions are subjective so there is that...
But for me personally Legion is a boring and annoying killer to play against. They pretty much get guaranteed cheap shots you cannot avoid as survivor and mending 50 times a match is not my idea of interesting game play.
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Teammates don't suck more against Legion than they do against other killers. Sometimes you get good teammates and sometimes you hope they don't unhook you, it doesn't matter and certainly doesn't mean Legion games are actually fun.
Also, it's definitely not my teammates' fault Legions always equip Sloppy & Thana.
Finally, trying to argue that it's the survivors' fault if Legion is boring so they shouldn't complain is kinda weird ngl. If you want to play Legion you can do it without the survivors' approval or trying to demonstrate that they should be enjoying playing against you.
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You love Susie as well, like me. Good taste.
I am using Corrupt because it makes survivors stay together on gens. Because 3 of them blocked. This gives me good pressure for early game, i am damaging them good enough.
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Legion matches are about as much fun as watching paint dry.
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I like all of the members of the Legion personally. I know some people pick a specific one as their favorite, but I cant bring myself to do it, they are all really neat.
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Ya I just love mending simulator, it's so much fun I legit fall asleep fighting it.
Only one other game made me fall asleep. Luckily some of them are cool and realize no one wants to mend mend mend mend mend mend mend and wanna farm or just be silly.
I don't mind dying, but fighting that thing is mad boring and old.
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This is a very unpopular opionin I agree with you because Legion is the least fun you can have as survivor. I rather go against facecamping Bubba.
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I'll take a Legion over a 5-millionth Wesker any day of the year at this point.
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let me fix this real quick:
How to beat legion:
- Have good teammates in soloQ or try to bodyblocking the legion when he already hit you so you can prevent him to chain hits (FF isnt lethal like at all , unlike wesker legion has a massive cooldown when cancelling his power)
- Just pre-drop when you have to play safer and save resources when healthy to use them later when injured.
- Just hold W asap when the legion is coming for you - 10 seconds of frenzy gets countered easily by lithe or SB , even if you get hit you already took the killer away from your team which is huge for gens.
- Never ever finish your mending into the legions TR , thats is like saying "Hey , get a free insta-down on me"
- Try to force a hit-stun on a pallet , you get hit by him BUT he loses his power entirely for the next 20 seconds meaning he becomes a m1 killer with no powers or snowball potential during that time. BUT dont be that meghead that drops everysingle pallet like that wasting resources non-stop for no reason.😅
if you need a map offering to feel safer , idk what to tell you , just learn how to play on other maps and loops.
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I'm kind of curious if people would think that the Legion is just as undesirable to play against if they adopt a different playstyle. The Legion was designed to smack several survivors in quick succession, and that's probably the most efficient way of playing them, but there's another way to play them that I don't see talked about a lot.
Sometimes when I play as the Legion, I smack one person in feral frenzy and then commit to that person, only using the frenzy to close distance from their injured speed boost. Giving them a deep wound prevents them from activating perks like Dead Hard, and plenty of times, people just immediately drop to one knee to mend expecting you to run off to chase someone else, so it can catch people off guard. With this playstyle, mending wouldn't really come into play much unless the Legion needs to break chase because chasing a specific survivor is eating up too much time.
Some neat tricks can come of this kind of playstyle. Normally, I'd say you don't want people oblivious in case they make the mistake of mending too soon and you get another free smack towards downing someone with feral frenzy. But with this playstyle, you can run the Etched Ruler, smack a person, pretend to leave, then just waddle up to them while they're mending with them completely unaware. This doesn't always work, obviously, since people don't always keep the same position and actually run somewhere else, but it's a neat little trick to try every now and then.
If mending is the biggest complaint, I'd be curious as to what certain people's opinions on this playstyle is. And teammates wouldn't be getting punished for just being in the same space, either.
To clarify, I'm not saying that the usual Legion playstyle is wrong or even boring, necessarily. I'm pretty neutral myself. But I'm just curious what people's opinions of this playstyle would be in an attempt to further define what it is specifically about the Legion that people dislike.
So yeah, what are your thoughts, everyone? :)
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The only thing i don't like about Legion is that he/she can counter OTR (not sure about the new DH, didn't played it for a while).
Everything else are just survs not knowing how to split up to avoid getting frenzied and heal, over and over again.
Sidenote: And i want to see more Bunny Legions! <3
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So basically the counters to legion are as follows
- Hold W
- Hope your teammates actually bodyblock in soloQ
- Be close enough together to bodyblock in soloQ, which is already a mistake against legion
- Pre drop pallets😭
- Try to stun. at least this counterplay is fun and sometimes reliable
- wait to mend so he doesnt get the easy instadown, meaninging no gen progress while in ff you just stand there
Not saying that legion is broken my any means just that his coutners are few and unreliable. Thankfully his power is trash enough it evens out. boring.
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I love playing Legion!
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When the counterplay to a killer is be far away and hope the killer doesn't interact with you there might be a problem.
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You need to be far away from other Survivors, not the Killer, I never said you need to be far away from the Killer and avoid contact.
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Right but by your logic if someone else is near the killer you shouldn't be ergo the counterplay is to not be near the killer or if you are hope your teammates arn't thereby taking away legion's power and then you're just looping trapless trapper.
I'm still not seeing how this is fun?
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In solo queue though, unless you have Bond you don't really know where your team mates are. They could be across the map or on the gen closest to yours.
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Spacing out is something you should do by default, since it gives the Killer less pressure and makes defending Generators harder, this isnt a foreign concept or something, this has been something that has been done for years.
Also, Legion is an "anti-group" Killer, they punish grouping up. That does not necessarily mean you absolutely cannot group up, since there are situations that call for it. Spacing out is not necessarily an absolute, and should be treated as a suggestion, not a "law" or "something you must follow all the time".
To put things better, there is a lot of nuance when facing Legion, since you treat them differently compared to other Killers... rather than dealing with that, people would rather complain and blame the game instead of their inability to adapt.
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Well, Mending isn’t the most engaging of slowdown features. And Killer Instinct isn’t the best described mechanic in the game (given there is no indication at all to Survivors that they’re being tracked by it).
But otherwise yes.
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Wait. Survivors don't know I get Killer Instinct on them?
Is this why they keep trying to hide in lockers while I'm Frenzying?
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I used to think legion was the most boring killer in the game, but the influx of weskers have made me appreciate them more
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I don't like how it can go through two health states at once, but apparently survivors having a third by timing a button press flawlessly against a horrible ping problem was so bad.
Also, mending simulator is boring. I hate it and I hate it's chase music.
It's up there with the 5000 Weskers, idk which is worse. I think mending simulator is worse. At least wesker is fun to kite.
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Yeah. Killer Instinct is only ever shown to the Killer.
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