Well onryo is broken for solo q now

I haven’t had enough games with her to agree she’s super oppressive but the 1 I played as her and 3 against her have all gone in Sadako’s favor. The tricky part about cleansing with a tape is finding an active TV to put it in before she hits you.

The best counter I can think of would be for all players in a match to focus on moving tapes around whenever she’s not right there on you and do gens as a secondary objective. Shut down as many TVs as possible and keep your stacks as low as possible so you can take a hit while holding a tape without becoming fully condemned. The trouble there is getting everyone on the same page - most matches are solo q and I can only t bag out directions in Morse code so quickly.

Solo queue adjust and learn lmao.

I wish they would stop dicking around with the tapes/condemned (though killing the old slug/condemned strat is good) and just buff her in chase, because that's really where she was hurting. But alas, it doesn't seem to be in the cards.

I've played a few games as Onryo since the patch and I've only had one condemned kill (though I don't play for them at all, really). And as has been mentioned, if you take a tape you're reducing the risk of being mori-ed in that way.

It's kinda powerful, but has counterplay and still better than the old slug/condemn strat was.

Been seeing this a lot, you know you can put it in any tv right? You can only GRAB a tape from an active one but you can put it in any tv on or off

Honestly no, I didn't realize that lol. Do you still get auras from inactive TVs when you're close? I don't think I remember seeing them but I could be misremembering.

its mainly the matter of fact that players dont know how to counter her. they refuse to interact with her, causing them to build condemn CRAZY fast. onyro is not broken, shes still pretty weak. she just has better use of her power in SOME cases, while simply just holding a tape completely removes the point of her power and is a literal protection item for survivors, even though it should be the opposite. but yes, blame the devs for making her into this. the best thing they could've done for her is to do these simple things

• a REAL add-on pass
• increase her invisibility durations for demanifesting % manifesting (make old newspaper & reikos watch basekit)
• remove her lullaby
• make ring drawing as it is right now, from injured to healthy instead of dying to injured

and boom you have a better sadako.

Exactly, we’ll said.

if players are just holding her tapes and trying to plug gens whilst letting the condemned passively stack, it’s kind of their own fault if they get mori’d lol.

she’s very much like Pig with the traps: it doesn’t pose an immediate threat but if you leave it too long it can be game-changing.

when I’ve played as/against sadako, I’d say 99% of survivors getting mori’d are because they get too greedy. If you actually take the minute to get off gens to copy your tape, you’ll be fine.

If we balanced for those players then all killers should be trapper strength, as that is a killer thr average soloQ player can handle, since they cannot loop, play macro gameplay, shut doen set ups(so even trapper is too much), use eyes and sound to find stealth killer killers.

And as I said even trapper is too much for soloQ as some addons may be seen as oppresive, but you are correct making all killers like that would balance the game for 90% of players however thr killer experience would be horrible because as soon as someone is not awful at the game you as a player lose all agency on thr match, thats the issue when you balance for bad players.

My point being there is two extremes and I personally do NOT like playing killers like trapper which are thr manageable characters for thr average player that doesnt know whats hoing on.

Ser how I never said we should balance for 4 man swfs I judt pointed out hoe balancing for bad players requires making all killers near trapper level, if you want to argue challenge that idea not a point I never made.

I think there's inherently a problem when, as you say, "she's not intended to hook anyone." This update fixed some things with her, to be sure, but if anything it makes slugging even better, which makes gameplay more boring and frustrating for survivors. She feels somewhat better to play as from this update, but possibly even worse to play against than before.

Priorities vs Sadako: Always have a tape, don't allow easy hits on you and heals before gens. Only stay injured when you're holding a tape. Survs need to play different when a killer is clearly slugging in general, the UI helps to see how far the slug has recovered. At the end she's still a M1 killer. If the hole team plays like that she can't slug efficient enough nor tunnel the slug. I think the bigger issue with her are indoor maps were it's harder to find a tape, i saw even good SWFs struggle here.

The majority of the games are not solo queue first of all, especially at higher mmr. I’d say like 10% of my matches are actually total solo queue. Secondly the devs are currently balancing around solo queue, and bad solo queue players at that. The game is not currently balanced around swf at all.

It’s extremely hyperbolic to say people are wanting the game balanced around some small single digit player base. That just isn’t the case. What people do generally mean when they say balance for good players is like the top 30%. Which is very reasonable. The games currently balanced for a full solo queue group with each like sub 300 hours, which is quite bottom of the barrel and why the games current balance is a complete mess since balancing around people who have no idea what they’re doing doesn’t work.