Just break the 3 gen

The snoring merchant

most 3 gens are breakable but some maps are not as favourable as others to break 3 gens. midwich elementary school is not a crazy 3 gen to break in a swf, but in soloq, it is hard because double floor makes it difficult for soloq to know where killer is.

hard for soloq /= killer need a nerf. it just means soloq needs buffs to be closer to SWF in coordination to go against said type of killers.

I already see it. look at how new brand new part works. I think it will be something like every point of regression on a generator reduces max charges of a generator.

so for example, for every 10% regression, the generator loses max 5 charges. so for example, after you regression 100% of a generator, the generator has 45 charges remaining meaning that you have 50% permanent progress on generator that cannot be regressed. something like that punishes killer for camping 3 generators because as long as survivor progress gens, they eventually build-up permanent progress that cannot be erased. that also kills 3 gens in a different way because now your getting punished for activating regression effects.

It means that even new player can break any 3 gen by just building progress then failing skill-checks until they win. you don't need to have team-eternal level of skill at that point to break 3 gens. you win by failure. BVHR sometimes balances like that on killer powers.

I think 3 gen is a fair/legit strategy just too opressive on killers like skill merchant, (maybe knight) but fine for pretty much every other killer.

I suppose they could rework her to be better at cutting off loops instead of patrolling but I don't know exactly how they could go about that

Good luck with that! Yesterday I got 100% killer bonus at the middle of the day.

unpopular opinion but I genuinely think this is a time where they need to killswitch a killer till they get reworked

Thoughts on not allowing drones near generators? Use the drones as anti-chase or locking down an area that they would run to (ie loop denial)?

It would just make her useless and literally every killer will be better. She honestly won't even have a niche that other killers won't. I'd rather just go the rework path.

3 gen originated as a solution to dealing with huge maps and low mobility Killers. Why should the Killer walk for 10 seconds to that one lone gen on the other side of the map when they can patrol 3 gens close by? Territorial Killers also benefit from this strategy as they aren’t designed to go for chases.

Not too sure what BHVR’s exact words are but claiming 3 genning not being how the game was supposed to be played is kind of shooting themselves in the foot given their design philosophy like hag and trapper. SM was just an extreme example of the territorial Killer design but I fear that BHVR will also kill 3 genning to the point that Survivors can just do whichever gens they come across and not get punished for it.

"Survivors can just do whichever gens they come across and not get punished for it."

The thing is, this is not how it is anymore. A few years ago, I would agree, 3-genning was on the Survivor-part. However, nowadays Killers start to 3-Gen from the start. And the Survivors cannot really do anything about it. You can keep the other 4 Gens at 99%, finish them or dont touch them at all. As long as the Killer defends the 3-Gen without any intention to move or down Survivors, the Survivors will not be able to do one of those 3 gens.

And nowadays it is just extreme with Killers holding the game hostage for up to an hour (or until the Survivors just give up) just for the Server to close the game. Skull Merchant is the best Killer in doing this, but other Killers can do it to. Granted, it depends more on the Map for other Killers, but some Maps, especially newer and reworked ones can spawn some very nasty 3-Gens. On reworked Blood Lodge I have seen a 3-Gen with a Gen in Shack and one of each side of the Shack. Really easy to protect and the only Pallet in that area was 1 Car Loop and Shack Pallet.

The Killer did not use this 3-Gen, if they would, they would have won without any doubt.

Skull Merchant is so fun as a chase killer, I've played her a few times in customs and her chase potential is amazing. It's just a shame her power kind of encourages 3-genning, like yeah she's not the only one who does it (I was against a Knight and Wesker on Lery's and they just hard-guarded the three-gen in the back corner of the map, every hook, they would run back to the 3-gen I was trying to break to kick the gens with Pop and NWTH. I wanted to pull my hair out.) But she's certainly the only one that is making it a huge problem right now, so the Devs will either have to deal with addressing her kit or finally do something about 3-genning.

It also depends on the MMR as well, I'm in low teir atm but in my killer games I see survivors 3/4-genning themselves quite a bit by acident the only gen regression I run is Jolt and Corupt. In survivor, its a different story, like sure sometimes we 3-gen ourselves because soloQ madness and beginner mistakes, but at least 85% of the time it's the killers who have hard camped a 3-gen from the start.

In the survivor games I've played over the last couple of months, I've seen it twice in a row on lery's (back three gens if the basement spawns in main room), twice on Lampkin Lane (same back corner one in the house, one in the basement and one in the street), five times on Dead Dawg (Gallows, Salloon, the gen that spawns between gallows and saloon and Prospectors camp (back corner near the tent)) and twice on GoJ (one in shack, one near the train car and then one in that back corner) Each time the killers for those games would just run between those gens, would never chase far enough to make a dent in a gen before they'd prance on back and kick the gen with w/e gen regression perk they have equiped (Brine, OC, Pop, Ruin) then just continue patrollig while the survivors just slowly dwindled down because we couldnt do anything.

Now sometimes we'd get lucky and break the three gen, but more often than not we'd all be on death hook so it would all be for naught, maybe one of us would get hatch but that was kinda rare.

Sorry for the wall of text.

It's their only way to have kills or to annoy people :)

you cant use pop when ruin is up tho and ruin only regresses gens at 100% can be cleansed and goes away when a survivor dies

That's a good point. I probably see less of it nowadays because it happens more among newer players than it does more experienced ones.

RPD is one of the Maps which is very, very likely to spawn a 3-Gen. You can have 2 Gens in the Main Hall and at least one Gen really close to it.