Should exhaustion addons stay like they currently are?

I think the Huntress exhaustion add-on and fearmonger are the only well balanced killler exhaustion tools.

Easy to apply, is enough of challenge for survivors without killing perks, but rewards the killer if they skilled to finish the chase early enough.

Everything else is kinda lackluster

Exhaustion addons now are in a good spot imo.

Fearmonger is the only good killer exhaustion perk though, the rest are either only decent on certain killers (Blood Echo) or are just bad.

exhaustion also used to recover while people were running. so the longer time made sense.

Why shouldn't they exist?

Old exhaustion addons were balanced around exhausting recharging while running which was why they were so extremely long.

Because, as I said, they are outdated. They were introduced in a time where Exhaustion recovered while running. But even with their times shortened, it does not really matter. 5 seconds of Exhaustion still means that the Exhaustion will not really recover in chase. So it does not matter if it is 5 seconds, 30 seconds, 90 seconds or whatever. Let alone that Fearmonger exists as a decent Perk, which also provides 5 seconds of Exhaustion. And there are Add Ons, which are a smaller investment (an Add On-Slot weighs less than a Perk-Slot IMO) which do the same.

I mean, just imagine old Ruin was still around (red Skill Checks, Regression for Good Skill Checks) and the Instruction Add On (no Skill Checks on Gens) would have been a thing back then. Killers would have rioted because an Add On would have countered a Perk. And this is what should not be the case.

Oh, it surely does. Because the Survivor who has the RBT on their head will be an easier target than other Survivors since they are injured (which can even be ensured when using the Mangled-Add On as well) and they wont have any Exhaustion-Perk while other Survivors would have them. Again, not saying that this is her strongest Add On, because it is not. But it promotes a playstyle which is the complete opposite of how Pig is played.

Gonna make an assumption and say the Artist add on was made that way specifically to counter the old Dead Hard.

I disagree that Exhaustion add-ons shouldn't exist, but I do agree that Pig's just incentivizes tunneling. I am not opposed to more M1 Killers having a Blindness and Exhaustion add-on to help stifle complaints of Windows and [insert Flavor of the Month Exhaustion perk here], while not helping Killers who don't need it like Blight/Nurse/Spirit. I'd argue Huntress' is probably the best designed of the current lot. Ghosties are a bit odd, but decently designed (If you get the drop on them, you get 5s and Exposed, if they get the drop on you, you get 10s instead).

Some exhaustion effects that could be fairly easily implemented are probably Legion, (5-10s on 2nd and further chain hits, like the item drop add-on) Myers, (when fully stalked, is permanently exhausted) Freddy, (5s on power affecting a sleeping Surv) Clown, (2-5s on Purple Gas) and Doctor (while at T3, like I believe the old Iri King did).

The problem with your suggestion is that BHVR would constantly need to change killer add-ons to counter whatever the survivor META is at the time, while not doing anything at all to help survivors. Not exactly balanced, impartial, or fair.

Blindness and Exhaustion are universal conditions that can each help against plenty of perks and items (blindness against maps/keys moreso), and I would argue more Killers should also have Oblivious add-ons as well. They don't need micro-management for the bizzaro world when Poised becomes META, just tools in their kit for the most common conditions/'offenders'. Killers with skill already don't care about blinding/exhausting Survivors, so this is just a backup for weaker players.

You kind of have to tunnel as Pig with the exhaustion addon to get any value out of it because if you let them take the RBT off you weren't chasing them to begin with. It's a cool concept but I feel it could be reworked in some capacity to allow Pig to get value out of it and be able to break chase more.

Granted I'd say exhaustion addons shouldn't really exist and are more of a relic of old DBD. Also no - I don't care to use MFT because it's a boring perk. I know you didn't mention it but I've seen comments on the thread about it. Plenty of killers could use an addon pass to give them more unique addons and a lot of the time exhaustion addons feel like they could be better but ultimately it doesn't matter too much because exhaustion isn't the worst set of addons.

I think Pig is a good example of a killer who could just use better addons overall even outside of the exhaustion one.

To those arguing exhaustion addons are still relevant - My take is I'd rather have them removed and give the killers a stronger basekit and better more interesting addons overall. To me it's stupid that the high tier killers don't even need to consider them to perform well but the majority of the roster that has them has to use half their addon slots just to counteract a perk that enables survives to potentially abuse strong maps or prolong a chase. Ideally every killers basekit can handle exhaustion in some way instead of just holding W or running an addon. Just think - We have two addon slots and we have to potentially run an exhaustion addon that may or may not get value depending on what map we're taken to. It's the same issue like old Fearmonger. It only affected Exhaustion but outside of some perks it only gets value on certain maps and if a survivor is running an exhaustion perk fit for the situation they're in.

Yeah, exactly. I think that they changed her Traps in a way to be more consistent was good. Now if one Survivor gets the Trap off in their first try you know that the others will have to search at least 3 Boxes (with two of them having to search 4 Boxes). But Tampered Timer and other Add Ons keep the RNG. Tampered Timer on Coal Tower can be non-existent, Tampered Timer on Mothers Dwelling can mean death if you need to do 4 Boxes.

So I would really love if they improve her stealth and chase, because Pig has basically 3 powers - RBTs, Stealth and the Dash. And making her chase better by improving Stealth and Dash would make her overall better (even if they nerf Add Ons for the RBTs) and also more consistent and IMO also more fun. Because I personally like to use the Dash, but it can be highly frustrating.

What exhaustion add-ons?

This is sarcasm because people don't run them.

Fearmonger is the only real exhaustion on the killer side.

Most people in my games are running MfT. It's gotten to the point where it's 2-4 survivors, every single match, and most of the killers I play don't have Exhaustion add-ons, so I just have to power through.

I don't hate MfT as much as old Dead Hard or For the People/Buckle Up, but it sucks. Just had a match in The Game where every single pallet in the entire map was smashed. I got the 4K, but that's what can happen with four competent loopers running MfT with a Game offering against in M1 killer.