General Discussions
General Discussions
Why you as a killer main should care about the state of Xeno
As survivor MMR is pushed lower and lower by everyone playing Xeno. If this keeps up, in a few weeks you won't be able to play any other killer without getting completely demolished. MMR inflation is real.
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How is that the killers' fault?
To a degree, yeah, players can be carried to an MMR they don't belong. However, were MMR actually functional, you wouldn't get matched with the same people between, say, Trapper and Xeno.
Your argument is favoured towards MMR needing improvements, not necessarily Xeno needing changes.
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That they are defending a clearly unbalanced killer on the forums? What about what I typed out confused you?
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That are not the killers fault
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meant to add more.
also, give it a week or two at least before we all start saying Xeno's op. it hasn't even been one.
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I am up to 30 games against her, she has an 80% kill rate. I have a 30% escape rate, so it's not me. The killer is very very strong.
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That would assume that Xenomorph has an enormous kill rate. Otherwise we would have basically the same effect as with Sadako and Caitlyn 3Genner. Nothing at all.
If Xenomorph's kill rate was that high, then the devs would nerf it. No doubt about that.
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Xenomorph are fine if you know how to use the flame turrets
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I had 3+ escapes against xeno the last time I played so he's not as unstoppable as you guys like to pretend he is
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I don't think we have ever been in a position before where a killer has been this strong. I think the kill rate is way higher than people think it is. People keep saying she is A tier but I have seen many survivors say Blight feels like a break compared to her right now.
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isnt mmr supposed to solve exactly that problem??
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If one killer is completely obliterating everyone and everyone is playing her, like they are rigth now. Nearly 70% of my games are against Xeno. It will push the survivors lower and lower until they are playing against people they can loop with one hand. Which is already happening in my games.
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Imagine saying this when 5 blink and omega blink nurse existed.
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I don't think we have ever been in a position before where a killer has been this strong
yeah we have. nurse is in the game since 2016. chill.
it has not even been a week of xeno but apparently the world is ending and stuff...
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Nurse released during a very very different game. There was broken things on both sides and truly that's what made the game fun. But here we are, where they are pushing MMR and balance. Xeno doesn't fit in modern DBD.
I am at least glad you killer mains agree she is as strong as nurse now.
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So you know how MMR works? Where do you get this information? Or is this just a prediction?
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We know how MMR works they explained it to us. Its a 4 way 1v1. If you die you lose MMR based on the killers MMR and yours. If you escape through the gates it goes up. If you jump through the hatch you don't move.
MMR feels bad because it favors quicker queues over match quality. Not only that but there appears to be only two tiers of MMR. You are either above or below the MMR cap. If you are above the cap you can match with just about anyone above it. If you are below you get the below people. Again we know MMR cap is a thing because they have mentioned it before.
The game tries to put you with people near your MMR but quickly falls apart with queue times and back filling being a thing. If you ever join a lobby where the killer leaves or other survivors leave. MMR sort of just went out the window.
It's not a great system, I think rank based was a lot more engaging and fun.
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Xenomorph isn't anywhere near the level of nurse. Hell release nurse was 115 and she had to be nerfed immediately because that was too much.
Xenomorph has a 4.8m attack and no way to catch up if the survivor makes distance. Xenomorph gives you turrets to use against him and requires survivors to do more than just run a tile and throw a pallet to out play him.
Just because you haven't figured out how to best use turrets does not mean they are useless or that xenomorph is oppressive.
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Sadly I never experienced the old system. I joined the game in Oct 2021 with 3.500h now. I guess old system was replaced shortly before this. I also never had the joy to play on Hawkins :-(
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Literally the oposite of what I said.
Nurse has always been the strongest killer in the game. Game hasn't exploded.
Xeno is weaker than both nurse and blight. Unless for some reason you think they are stronger... but that would just be another thing you are wrong about.
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No, this is just wrong.
Xenomorph is fine, if you are in a group of people that all know how to use turrets and the killer isn't running the add-ons that allow them to basically ignore the turrets.
Again, if you are talking about SWFs vs Xeno then sure there is balance and no issue but if you are talking solo cue where one person wasting a turret on bad placement or not knowing to use them tanks the match... not so much balance.
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As if skull merchant wasn't already causing this but because xeno is popular let's blame xeno
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Skull merchant would be balanced if they addressed regression or 3 gens. She isn't OP baseline in my opinion. She is taking advantage of a game system that shouldn't be unlimited.
Xeno is capable of destroying people with zero perks and addons.
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Are you ignoring the fact that the majority hates going against skull merchant to the point where they disconnect on site
Again skull merchant started it xeno just picked up her slack since they are a fun and popular killer to play as that doesn't have to rely on 3 genning for their matches
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Maybe you’re not good at the game.
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Caitlyn 3Genner LMAO
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I like playing against xenomorph. It’s not boring and it didn’t seem op to me but then again I’m surviving around half my matches against it.
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People DC against SM because she drags the games on for a very long time, just for them to lose anyway. Xeno ends the game very fast, I haven't played against a single camp/tunneling or 3genning Xeno. They are strong enough that they don't need to do annoying over the top strategies.
Turns out, if you play in a non annoying way, people don't dc. Weird right?
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Congrats you missed the point I was making which is xeno isn't the only one that is causing the issue so just blaming xeno for a problem SKULL MERCHANT STARTED is disingenuous
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What problem didn't Xeno start? I still don't have any clue what you are trying to say.
SM is not OP, regression gaming and 3 genning is OP. She does the same thing Knights/Blights do.
Do you even know what you are trying to say?
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again skull merchant was causing the same exact thing as what you blamed xeno for with the opening post the only difference is xeno is actually fun to play and is popular
Dc's and self feeds lower mmr which is what a lot of players do against skull merchant
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I disagree, I play against 1 SM a week. I have played against 20 Xenos in the past 24 hours. Everyone is playing her right now, because they know she is broken. All this does is cause a huge survivor MMR deflation, which will be felt by the weaker killers down the line.
There aren't enough SMs to do what Xeno is doing right now. Not to mention not every SM plays like she needs to play to be broken.
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Caitlyn 3Genner. I love it 😂😂😂
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I have a news for you
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I love how you ignored the point where I said the only difference being is xeno popular and skull merchant is not
than proceeded to showcase how the difference is due to the popularity of a killer and instead of blaming multiple killers that can cause the issue you just blame xeno which again is disingenuous as before xeno came out I was encountering skull merchant here and there and you bet I fed myself because ######### the possibility of a 50 minute 3 gen match so I'm not afraid to put the blame on both xeno and skull merchant and say skull merchant started the "lowering of survivor mmr" and xeno with the current playerbase's skill level atm took the torch and ran with it
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There are two types of survivors
1. The kind that complain on here
2. The kind that have been learning the match up and I've been seeing better and better turret placement as the week has gone on
You decide which one you want to be.
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THANK YOU
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And a bad Nurse is a nice break from a good M1 killer. A good Blight will never be a break for survivors. Never. Even without addons this killer is still a threat.
I seriously doubt that Xenomorph's kill rate is that high but I have pretty much given up hope that they will leave it be. I expect some kind of nerf with the next patch. Hopefully it will be only a minor change.
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So stats are only accurate if they back up your claim?
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What stats do you have beside "trust me bro"?
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>I think the kill rate is way higher than people think it is
>Show dry stats
>???????????
I really love this forum, it's never getting old lmao
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I keep statistics. She has a 75-80% kill rate. I don't count games where a survivor DCs or gives up.
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People will get used to the Killer and others will lose interest in Alien over time. Currently it is still the new fun thing to play. Devs want people to play the new Killer.
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"my anecdotal data is totally data and you should take it seriously!"
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Isn't that what he just linked that you guys supported?
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Show your work then.
Nightlight.gg currently has 2300+ xeno games and it shows a 57% killrate.
And that clearly shows that xeno isn't as opressive as yall claim it to be.
It's one of those times where it all chalks up to survivor skill issue.
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NO WONDER YOU KEEP BLAMING XENO FOR A PROBLEM SKULL MERCHANT STARTED
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Don't bother op is going to ignore facts to continue being disingenuous for the sake of blaming xeno for setting plague upon our houses
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So in other words he is including a ton of variables like other players and a ton of different perk load outs that make the statistics unreliable.
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xeno will be nerfed, mark my words lol.
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