Don't expect the upcoming anti-camping mechanic to actually do anything

It doesn't need to singlehandedly solve all problems for it to still "do something".

Camping is a part of the game, as 'unfair' as it can be it's a valid tactic, the problem has always been that it's more rewarding than it should be. The killer should be giving up more than they are to employ this playstyle.

This will make it more punishing to camp. Either the killer facecamps, giving up pressure and allowing other survivors to focus on gens, and extending how long it takes to camp that person out. Or it forces the killer to proxy camp, allowing more openings for rescue attempts.

it's just an example, you can do it and see for yourself, it works against vast majority of opponents

Bro if you run that combo with 90 percent of the killer roster you're leaving with one or two kills at least if your half decent. That being said face camping only works for the killer against people who don't know how to handle face camping, if a killer face camps you can get 3 separate gens around 50-70 percent done before the the first hook state is up, meaning good survivors will always punish face camping yeah 1 team mate may die but everyone else leaves and the killer loses. Also with bubba most are doing it because they can not because it's beneficial to winning as someone stated earlier.

Proxy camping not face camping builds pressure, for instance if there's a gen that MFT resil Gabe and haddie have at 80% and I down one of them and hook them near the gen it's ideal to stay close to the area and would be crazy to just rush to the other side of map to find Claude hiding in a bush or mikela booning because I don't want to be called a camper. I could chase the Haddie ideally but she's now no where to be found. So instead of aimlessly walking around I know now what person they have to unhook and what gen they want. Smart teams will coordinate a rescue by healing Haddie and safely unhooking healthy, since I can't grab off hook it's not even a trade. On a bad team Haddie will tap the gen and hide behind a rock during my wipe animation and me carrying Gabe to the hook and then as I walk not even 10m she'll unhook unhealthy and then Gabe will use his BT to body block and now the two of them are in shambles and I'm called a tunneler and camper.

Camping does in fact build pressure in certain situations and due to the pip system is sometimes necessary not to depip against a gen goblin team that knocks 2-3 gens out before your first down. Face camping is not beneficial is only done mostly out of spite and sheer just because I can as reinami stated . Lastly let's not forget that most of the player base isnt otz, hens, jrm , dead, or any other content creator level of play, let's be honest the majority is pretty average at best, thus you can't use a 10k hour survivor or killer main to justify a game mechanic that 90% of the player base can't utilise properly. Something needs to be done but it needs to carefully thought out and not abusable by either side. There needs to be a balance and way for the killer to keep pressure for hooking people and not proxy camping, if not people will never hook and just slug and bleed out.

Rant done lol gl in the fog today guys.

BHVR implementing a mechanic that does nothing to achieve what they want it to? No. I simply won't believe it.

How about we balance the game with hooks and chases instead of kills. That would make the game more fun for everyone.

That is the whole point. Proxy camping hook shouldn’t be meta.

You must want people to slug more, because that defeats the point of any pressure having someone on a hook provides.

You could nearly do whole gens while 1 person gets chased before needing to even go for a save. Only works if chase times are abysmally short.

Because I don't think the game can tell you "You win!!!" enough to make four survivors running out the gate feel more like a win than no survivors running out the gate.

Guys, I have been around here less than a month total and even I worked out Biscuits is an obvious troll, stop taking the bait. They could delete killers from the game entirely and they'd still complain that gens took too long or some other dumb thing.

On the shared hook states: s a survivor main, this overall feels like a massive survivor buff.

I guess it comes down to how you rebalance the chase ratios, but I think that is dangerous. If chases were noticeably quicker than they are now, I don't think they'd actually be any fun.

On the idea of all teleporting survivors to different hooks: I think the main reason BHVR wouldn't do this is that it would seem 'silly' and break the theme. Also worry that killers could intentionally abuse this, 99 the hook teleport meter, wait until the survivors are on their way, and then teleport the survivor out.

It's the fault of the team that they didn't handle the situation well enough.

Therein lies the core of the problem. Any game element that needs a 'team' is going to favor SWFs far over soloq. That's one of the key complaints against killers camping around hooks: SWFs can deal with it easily and soloq can be destroyed by it (not as much as they used to though because of the HUD).

Yes, but survivor is a team game. If we balance around every survivor being super strong in their own, killer gets destroyed.

If we balance around swf, killer gets also destroyed because : swf is extremely strong.

Yes there are certain plays that only SWF can do, like identifying and tracking a stealth killer. But solo can make up for this in other ways, providing everyone goes into the game with the mindset of a team player.

But we're not talking about a stealth killer or even high level SWFs. We're talking about camping. Against the most inexperienced SWF in the world they can communicate 'the killer is standing over behind the tree, stay on gens'. On the other hand, a soloq runs right into it unless you happen to speak the same flailing arms code as the person on the hook (and assuming hook stage 1).

Part of doing well as survivor is having the game sense to play your part for the good of the team.

Again this is totally different. With the survivor HUD, I can see who is on gen, who's on death hook, etc. I can play my part without voice coms. Sure, it would be easier if I could tell someone I'll take a hit from them and where to run, but I can still manage it without comms.

Basically: soloq can do the same things SWF can in those situations, though SWFs make it far more efficient.

Camping is not the same: its the easiest communication in the world as a SWF, difficult, if not impossible, as a soloq.

The actual fun part of the game? The chase. Or do you think holding m1 on a generator for 90 seconds, or facecamping and hard tunneling as a killer is the fun part?

Where is the satisfaction in that system, for any of the players?

Killer makes the winning score, survivors have the lowest score and therefore lose, but survivors escape and the killer doesn't kill anyone? What's the point? What game is this?

Maybe this could be an alternative game mode for custom matches or something. But it's not DBD at it's core.

When matchmaking was based on ranks, pips could effectively be considered a win metric: And since they required a wide range of interaction types from both sides, it was possible to lose and still pip. I personally always took any game where i pipped, regardless of survival or number of kills, as a win. It meant I played well and did more than just a single facet of my job.

...granted, emblem ratings on killers have always been a bit wonky, with some having garbage gains in certain emblems (likie plague) while others seemed to sneeze into iridescents (like legion.) After we switched over to hockey scoring the pip system became less of a win/lose metric since grades are basically just a monthly BP bonus now.

I guess my point is that its still possible to separate the win/lose mentality from the finality of the outcome, and we used to have a system that did just that in its own flawed way. Hell some people still think they win when they get hatch escapes, even though the game classes it a draw.

The fact they no longer affect matchmaking makes the difference though, which is why they lost their appeal as a win condition. When it was based on pips, you needed to play more fair and less efficient on either side in order to pip, even though the ratings felt a bit too lenient at times (should have been a much wider berth between safety pips and 1/2)

the quality of matchmaking is a completely different story, but my point was again that people were able to make a secondary personal win/lose metric that was removed from kills and escapes.

I think that it's not up yo you to define the "fun" part and dismiss everything else. This game has more fun parts than just the chase.

And in many of those sorts of games, people frequently prefer to ignore the objective and just deathmatch. Now, you're trying to convince people who've won by killing for years that actually killing doesn't matter and it's just the hooks? To me, this feels like making hockey games won by shots on the goal, not actual goals, and hoping people just play along.

Heck I have more fun hiding and doing gens than running from the killer

Treating the trial like a stealth mission is feels right to me lol

I’ll echo what’s already been said in this discussion; it’s not an “anti-camp” mechanic, more of an anti face-camp mechanic.

Proxy camping/defending a hook when survivors are swarming it is a perfectly viable and respectful play style.

The purpose of this mechanic is to dissuade a Bubba from mindlessly facecamping you to death in the basement or when killers stare right at you and hit you in hook because you looped them too long or got some flashlight saves.

Hook camping against a solo queue team has always been effective. Which is a shame, as it promotes the most unhealthy playstyle for the game. Solo queue teams do not have the perks, toolboxes or coordination necessary to gen rush. It feels almost like gaslighting when killers say "just gen rush". As though it's the easiest thing to do. What's the average player going to do with their brown toolbox that has no add-ons?

Why do so many killers just grab one person and face camp them at 5 gens? Because it works. Because killers know that survivors are really altruistic even in solo queue. Just camp one person, the other survivors will feel bad for them and try and help. It works almost every time.

I don't think anyone is complaining about camping in every scenario. The majority of the frustration comes from killers just doing it to the first person they find. You can't just rush the last couple of gens, it completely ruins the entire match.

Nobody wants to play hostage simulator. If that was every match, would this game die? Yes. Nobody would play it and the game would be dead. In solo queue, this game is only fun when the killer decides you can have any fun. If they want to make the match miserable for everyone involved, they can. The worst part it doesn't even require technical skill. Any killer with over 5 hours playtime and a bad attitude can do it.

I actually did that with Blight , because I read all the threads here and both felt bad and thought ######### not? It won't hurt.

In 2 days I was facing completely ******** potatoes.

It was so very bad, they almost jumped on the hook, I struggled to get them out the door some matches.