All Billy mains deserve the best

It's unfortunate that 8/10 billies i get just start hard proxy camping by 2 gens. Has really soured my opinion of him to an extent.

That's the logical consequence when BHVR nerf his mobility with the overheat adjustments, invisible walls to prevent Skybilly and unnecessary clutter on most maps, as well as maps like RPD that have exactly 3 spots to use the chainsaw for mobility (outside, main room and the corridor in the east), all while buffing his camping capabilities and creating more and more maps with loop shapes that make it almost impossible to play around with the chainsaw (looking at you Borgo, Eyrie, Garden of Misery, Toba Landing and Nostromo).

I (and many others) warned them, that this would happen, if they keep nerfing his mobility. At this point, they should just remove the overheat mechanic. It doesn't serve any healthy purpose anymore and there are other killers (like Xenomorph) who are allowed to use their mobility constantly as well. It would also bring back Driftking Billy.

I would agree that Overheat can be removed because it does not serve any purpose anymore because it was watered down a lot.

However, when it was implemented, I think Overheat was a good thing. If you are good with Billy, you wont notice it anyway because your Chainsaw will most likely only need to cool down while you carry Survivors to the Hook. And a punishment for missing too many chainsaws was fine IMO. However, in retrospecit, I think removing Chargetime and Cooldown might have been enough. Because the bad Billy-players who got rewarded with Chainsaw Hits where those who had a combination of Chargetime and Cooldown (mostly Tuning Guide and Thompson Mix) because there was not really a punishment for missing. So the fact that those got removed probably would have been enough already.

But I totally agree with the Maps. Some Maps are just horrible for Billy because of all those little twigs and things which stick out at loops where you bump into. Also since they reworked his animations, he does not really feel good and Shadowborn is mandatory for me.

IMO if they fix the FoV and shrink his Chainsaw-Hitbox a bit (it is massive, makes it easier to hit Survivors, but also easier to bump into things), I think this would already help him a lot. And I think this would help more than removing Overheat or changing his Add-Ons.

That was more so the case before the most recent change to overheat honestly. I mean, it feels great getting to use your chainsaw in loops constantly without worrying of the overheat but it comes at the cost of much quicker overheat when traversing a map. You used to be able to do at least 1 1/2 laps around a map before you overheated. That is sadly not the case anymore. Now you overheat pretty quick even for just 3/4 of a lap. This doesn't really have anything to do with skill, so you can't really avoid it. I guess this not going to matter for much longer, seeing as how it becomes increasingly more difficult to get around the map without Dad's Boots or Spiked Boots (just compare Red Forest before and after the rework).

As far as I am aware it was initially implemented to counter camping at least by a bit. That is no longer the case, so I don't see any benefit in letting it in the game. I never got to experience the old Billy addons first hand but I saw some videos about those and it's good that the charge time addons don't exist like that anymore. But it's also no secret that his current addons aren't great. He has some good and a few decent addons but more than half of them are either incredibly situational (both iri addons, Black Grease, Tuned Carburettor and Leafy Mash), completely worthless (Off-Brand Motor Oil, Junkyard Airfilter, Punctured Muffler and Pighouse Gloves) or undertuned (Steel Toe Boots and Mother's Helpers).

Maps are mostly the reason why Billy has fallen from grace so bad. He doesn't deal too well with massive amounts of pallets, indoor maps, clutter, hitboxes, unique loop shapes and many filler loops in general. We keep complaining about maps but let's be honest no matter what happens, BHVR are not going to go back to 2017's maps, which as terrible as they were benefitted Hillbilly. So most of these problems will only get worse and are amplified even further by the removal of Skybilly which could help with some of these issues (at least in theory).

I agree that they should do something about his FOV. Even with Shadowborn the chainsaw takes up so much of your screen, that it's easy not to see a survivor or object right in front of you. The thing about Hillbilly's hotbox is that he does have seperate hitboxes for survivors and objects. His hitbox on survivors is actually not that big. I know this may seem weird because some hits he can get look weird but this is mostly because of how survivor hitboxes actually work. The hitbox of a survivor doesn't perfectly fit their character model. The survivor is leaning forward while running but their actual hitbox is centered right above their feet.

This is also why some of Huntress's hits look so weird even with low ping on the killer. It is further proven by the fact that there are some ways to bodyblock a Hillbilly while he is using the chainsaw. When this happens, his chainsaw hitbox doesn't connect with the survivor but his body's hitbox does. So he can't bump or hit because the chainsaw doesn't connect but he also can't keep running because his path is blocked. This causes his chainsaw sprint to end after a short time. There are multiple ways to do this with 1 very consistent option.

I'm not certain that changing his collisions with objects would really solve the issue either. It would help but seeing as there are for example the vines on the walls of Eyrie's main tiles with hitboxes as thick as half your character model I doubt the issue would go away. I've tested these hitboxes excessively using the M1 to get an idea of how they are actually shaped and it's pretty damn terrible.

bubba invasion

I like facing billy, 9/10 times I get to escape and get a lot of points.

Yeah, this is true, Overheat is probably now a bit more impactful on the moblity site, but to be honest, you usually dont run laps around the map unless you go for something gimmicky like Drift King Billy.

And I dont even think that it was added because of camping. I think that "the most balanced Killer" (as it was claimed by the community) was just not the "most balanced Killer" anymore after Killer got better and better over the years. And having the best mobility in the game and a quite easy to use Oneshot (especially because of the Add Ons since back-revving was very strong back then) was too much.

When it comes to the old Add Ons, Crack Billy (Engravings and Tuning Guide) or Instasaw (even tho it was not really Instasaw after Tinkerer was changed, but was still called like that) were nuts. And even the brown Add Ons were really, really strong. So it is in general good that they changed them.

When it comes to if a better FoV and collision would help Billy - yes, 100% sure of this. He would be more smooth to play and I dont really think that his strength is really a problem. It is his junkyness and the fact that you need Shadowborn to turn that down it a bit.

Also, I dont really know what to do with the Add Ons. If we consider that Overheat can be removed, those need new effects. And some of his really bad ones as well. But I fail to see some interesting Add Ons which can be created.

I get why it happens and it's just sad. I've gotten one really good billy as survivor and that was a fun experience. I've always thought and said that the more maps they make that are bad for blight for one reason or another are far worse for billy. When I played garden for the first time that was my first thought. I hope they make a return to billy sometime with a really good change to his kit.

I think it's just rare to run into an experienced billy in the first place, people just try billy in their early killer days. I feel you though, I have only run into one blight I would consider good in all my time playing survivor. All the other ones are typically running c33 to supplement the fact they aren't good(at least yet).

I'm not sure that's the intention behind maps like Garden of Misery but it is true. An experienced Blight will find ways to overcome these issues. An experienced Billy will either go for a M1, leave chase when the setup is too strong or try a million times from different angles, with different timing, positioning and mindgaming until they either get you or the game ends (me 💀).

The problem is that Billy cannot really readjust in the way that Blight can. Take Haddonfield for example. These houses are an absolute nightmare for Billy but they are somewhat manageable for a good Blight. You vault a window? Well, Blight can follow you, catch up and maybe still get a hit. Billy will have to stop his chainsaw and try to catch up to you again. Which is more than likely going to end the chase and reset the house. And the only solution to that is Bamboozle (Hex: Crowd Control is too unreliable).

They did say that Billy was on the list of killers to receive some changes and after the massive amount of backlash they got when they tried to nerf Engravings I think they know that this is a killer, that many players are passionate about. Which, in my opinion, makes it more likely that they will look at the feedback these players gave them and go from there (copium). I would already be happy with a little bit more speed at base and a rework to his overheat addons (they are all completely useless now).

My theory is, that they nerfed him mainly to promote Bubba (yes, I do wear a tin foil hat) and didn't really know what to do with him after.

A lot of Billy's issues come from the game that has changed around him, while his kit stayed almost the same (besides some nerfs that made him more clunky). I remember the old Coldwinds and while they weren't great from a balance perspective they sure were better than they are now for Billy. But this is something that they can't really fix without going back to more simplistic maps, so I don't blame them for the mess they got themselves into with this killer. Red Forest is another example of this.

I think Blight could use some very slight nerfs to his base kit too. Just enough to allow them to design actually useful addons for him, that don't completely break him. In my opinion his base kit is pretty much the max strength a killer should reach. But I definitely agree, that butchering him à la Billy would not be the right move.

it amazing Billy could even make survivors play like that at all. It rarity to ever have a bad game against a Billy in my experience.