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Stupidly fast generators
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@MhhBurgers I think with Marth is what makes him so good is he's got a complete understanding of the game in it's entirety. Now combine that with having played killer so much he can play survivor more optimally than most.
That's the point I'm trying to make when you use him as an example, he's still in the top 1% of players worldwide just because his knowledge and experience is so vast. Tru is good but he sometimes gets full of himself.
The hitbox change I agree would be nice and make killers much more even across the board. That way nurse/Billy/Spirit wouldn't be such a meta (Spirit main btw so I'm biased). I do love playing Trapper and Myers and Amanda but it's not as satisfying.
The lunar event was only included as a reference point and the only real patch was the Jan one the rest were minor. The Legion patch we won't even discuss because Legion and the new engine update.
The new Spies and surveillance updates along with the Pig changes were very welcome and I look forward to Freddy's remake. I just don't like the whole Fire and Forget missile type thing.
The new killer looks really interesting and she's got some really unique things she can do as some people I sometimes play with discovered. If people are crouching behind things you just change your aim ala Artillery ( who remembers that old game). You can down people with her empowered ability even behind los blockers.
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"This is why we need nerfs and mechanics that affect optimal survivors too or even more than regular survivors. For instance optimal survivors don't give a ######### about RUIN or stuff like overcharge or hitting their DS etc.
The answer wouldn't be to make these things harder but to rework them so that they affect everybody the same."
Some people don't get that concept. ;)
Maybe this video can help some people.
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I agree with most of your points but you still can't say that the game substantially changed from the video I posted.
Most killers still don't run spies from the shadows, I sometimes do but in many games it feels really pointless still.
I have not seen many killers use surveillance at all. I think the perk is very nice on Legion because you can tell if the deep wounded survivor went back to tap the gen so you know approximately where he is and can down him.
I still don't see how the Lunar event change did anything for killers other than give them the option to earn cosmetics in a more realistic time. The only thing that event did in terms of killer power was make survivors glow and stand out more.
The new killer gets crushed by stealth and her mechanics feel unworthy of a plague-themed character. Breaking through the plague is just a minor inconvenience reminiscent of Mending against a legion with the difference that against a legion you will have to heal up and take your time after a hook if you're unsure about getting hit again. They either need to make it MUCH easier to spread the plague or remove the heal from the fountains, then she'd be at a good and fun spot.
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did i just accidentaly caused a war on this thread?
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It's just a hot topic since… forever…
Because like I said, the calculations for chases in relation to gen time is wrong from the start.
That's why killer feel kinda helpless against survivor that seriously want to escape instead of fooling around.
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Why some of you still put survival rate below 50% as an argument?
There are a lot of absurd and avoidable survivor deaths due being overaltruistic or to a lesser extent looking for the hatch with the gates open. The more higher the rank is more overaltruistic the people is.
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And don't forget cocky. Most won't leave when the gates open and some of them die. It happens during a game also, they either die early trying to bully the killer or dc.
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Because that's the official statistic for red ranks and don't forget NOED deaths, people killing themselves on hook because their teams getting wrecked. The killer hard camping at 5 gens so they get 1-2 kills. All the Legions out there exploiting for 3-4k and other reasons.
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"Why some of you still put survival rate below 50% as an argument?"
Because it fits their narrativ.
Everybody actually KNOWS that those stats are flawed, because survivor do not "need" to escape to "win/pip".
But with that stat the survivor mains can go up against any killer buff.
Way to many games turn into a 3K when it should have been a 1K, only because the cocky survivor try everything to rescue the last guy.
And don't forget all the DCs and suicides and of course all the poor survivor that die because the other survivor left to derank.
The escaperate would only be of any value for balance evaluation IF the survivor had a way stronger incentive to escape.
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@MhhBurgers - I don't think making survivor hit boxes is a good idea, as there are already way too many hits that should be misses. I think the key would be to make the killer's hitbox smaller so they can move around pallets as tight as a survivor. That would cut the chase down significantly. Granted, killer's blocking basement would not be the same, but it would be a small price to pay in order to cut those loops down. Would also really help killers like Trapper as survivors can often avoid traps but he can't. Smaller hit box would allow him to continue the chase.
Just a thought.
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Yes obviously. I've feel like this conversation is going no where and you are completely missing the context of what I am saying.
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So I will ELI5 this since this topic has completely went off the rails.
There is a huge difference between a new killer (my OP was directed at) not pressuring gens correctly and optimal players finishing gens super quick. This topic quickly went from giving advice to a new killer straight to gen rushing. To tell him a new killer, "gen rushing is a thing and it's there, you can't do anything about it" is just wrong advice. If you really believe this, then you are just a bad player. This is the truth. You can absolutely pressure gens. You can strategically let survivors complete certain gens, you can try to 3 gen a survivor team, you can chase survivors away from gens. I do this every game because it's necessary on certain killers. But none of this advice was given to this new player seeking help.
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And so, so many killers form bad habits which make them bad player. They tunnel the best looper on the team for 4 gens then complain about gen rushing. Here's a hint, the worst survivor on the team is just as good as holding M1 down as the best looper is. I do believe gen completion rate is an issue, but I also believe killers are generally bad players (like the guy I mocked initially) and don't know basic gen pressuring techniques. Then they blame the game mechanics when it's their fault. Go watch a Zubatlel game and see how often he is "gen rushed". Spoiler, it doesn't happen because he's a God.
You guys were so occupied in your own agenda you jumped down the throat of the first person to give this new killer advice. That's where the topic derailed into optimal players gen rushing. Get over yourselves, this isn't what this was about.
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would changing the amount of gens make a difference? like having to repair 6 gens instead of 5 and having 8 on the map instead of 7?
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Nope. Right now, you can have 3 survivors working on generators at any given time, assuming the one guy being chased knows how to exploit hitboxes, I mean loop, and the killer (character) can't counter that exploit, I mean perfectly legitimate tactic. This means that 5 generators can be repaired in two sets (3+2). 6 generators, likewise, can be repaired in two sets (3+3), so the minimum time is unchanged. If the number of generators is not a multiple of the number of survivors on them, then the repair time is unchanged.
On the other hand, if you increase the number of generators, you're screwing over the newbies. It's too much for them to handle. Adding more generators is simply not going to work.
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what if they could implement 5 gens for rank 10-20 and 6 gens for rank 1-9? @Orion
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Same here. Sometimes I get shat on. Most times I do not. I don't consider myself to be a great killer either. I try my best and realistically if I get all four bbq stacks and some good chases, hooks I consider it a good game. I don't need a 4k to consider it a successful match.
Some of these killers just need to have some perspective on this game.
Also, on the games I get rolled in, sometimes it is actually my fault. I may stay on a chase too long or miss on swings. Like believe it or not, sometimes you have to hold yourself accountable for a piss poor round. Learn and move on to the next one.
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The skill disparity between R9 survivors and R1 expert survivors is ridiculously huge, we should work on reducing that skill limit to make optimal survivors have less of a drastic edge.
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As I explained, the number would have to be 7 or greater, since 4, 5, or 6 generators have the same minimum repair time (assuming only one survivor per generator, which is what usually happens). Regardless, adding more generators is not a solution.
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40%... dont look at the stats man... those are so botched it's silly... how many survs were trying to depip in those numbers?...how many of those were matched that were 3 man escapes but ended up being stupid and killing themselves in the end.... so many variables that makes the survival death % garbage...
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