Why rework Maps like Garden of joys ?????
Why you really love Rework (nerf) maps for survivor ??????? really its painfull... I play for 5577h now But play for 6years and you never rework Blackwatter swamp never still.... You put killer with 10 meter range attack.... i really feel like you really love Nerf Survivor... its not even fun to play survivor now with new all ######### maps...
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If you dont see that Garden of Pain, as the map gets called, is busted, then Im curious how you cant see this with this amount of hours.
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Garden of Joy is by far one of the most unbalanced maps in the game and needs to be changed.
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So 5k+ hours and still need broken maps to be good at the game?
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Will this rework actually be decent or should I start burning all my offerings now? Feels like a waste when I'm now stuck with tons of RPD and Coldwind offerings after the maps got butchered.
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Agreed. But so is saloon (with it's 3gen), Midwitch (size and quality of pallets), pale rose (after rework this one has barely any pallets and is quite small for it), etc. Yet it's only survivor-favoring maps (or neutral like Rancid) that gets rework in favor of killers.
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You guys really think someone signed up just to complain about Garden of Joy getting a rework at some point? I smell children's bones (troll reference).
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Midwitch is ultimate hold W map, it's not really overall killer sided. Most M1 killers are not happy about it, but there is few killers that you really don't want to see...
Most of my best chases were on Midwitch, because it's just easy with those windows.
I don't mind Saloon overall, but 3-gen should be fixed there for sure.
Well, survivors get basekit features, so killers get map reworks... that's basically only thing they can change to work for all killers.
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We do not even know how the map will be like yet people are already whining about it. It could be just an Eyrie of Crows kind of rework, where the map is still one of survivors’ favorites. Please, learn to complain after actions are taken, not before.
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Swamp should get a rework eventually, it’s the only realm that hasn’t been updated yet. Dead Dawg 3 gen is really bad yeah but we know BHVR is working on 3 gens. I actually like Midwich as survivor though, even though I know it’s slightly killer sided it’s still fun.
I do want them to revisit Rancid Abbatoir again, that map is far too weak for survivors now after the changes.
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- because survivor sided maps tend to be much more broken and unplayable for the vast majority of the killer roster than killer sided maps tend to be for survivors. Midwich sucks and all but its not like death is a guarantee... just way too likely. Half the A tier killers and below are unplayable on GoJ and are a guaranteed loss.
- swamp isnt killer sided. It variations are mostly balanced with the exception of grim pantry becuase dummy good for survivor sometimes.
- Assuming you mean xenomorph, his tail has about a 4m range. which can be completely removed by using turrets correctly.
- I have no idea what you mean by all the new maps being ######### (presumably for survivors). every map released in the past years has been survivor sided with the only except being rpd west wing having a strong 3gen and nostromo being balanced half the time and stupid safe the other. there hasnt been a killer sided map released since midwich as far as I know.
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IDK. I love that map for killers. Even M1 killers. It's tiny so TR is everpresent and half the time survivors run at you. It has huge amount of pallets, but most of them are bad (some are really bad, some are "you die here, it will just take a second", classroom pallets are usually strong - if you are lucky to get pallet instead of just chairs), but sure - there are 2 absolute god pallets too). IMO this one is THE most killer sided map in game. Not even counting nurse
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For some reason they always go for overly safe main buildings basically on every map and then depending on what map we're looking at, it is either like Saloon, where there is not much more on the map to use, with an easy to hold 3 gen in the outskirts or Garden of Joy with one entire side of the map being a connected loop.
At least for now on Aliens map I didn't find the main building to be overly strong, but then again people might just not have figured out how to run it properly.
Overall it is really ridiculous that maps have such a big variety of how easy to win they are for either side... I mean, how did old cowshed exist in the same game as old shelter woods, that could spawn like 7 pallets total or something ridiculous like that.
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If you play for that long (like me) you should know how OP survivor was for a long time. Of course things will get nerfed and a lot was overdue for years like DH.
To explain why they want to look at GOJ: it has an incredible amount of interconnecting and safe loops a killer has to "go through" before being able to do anything. On top of that the map is quite big too.
Survivors get more efficient by the year too. So things get nerfed. And killer gets nerfed a lot too: Nurse, Spirit, SM, 3gen etc. Blight is long overdue but fingers crossed.
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New Blood lodge gives the killer 90% of the time a 3-4 gen around shack. If you are lucky you get a 5 Gen.
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Don't forget the ridiculously overpowered main building with basically 3 really good windows and a god pallet.
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I haven't played that much on the map yet to notice it, but it might as well be like that. Gen spread is really problematic these days, even though most killers don't play into it, the survivors sometimes just brainlessly do one gen after another without thinking about the possibility of a 3 gen.
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Yeah. I can loop killers there for ages.
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I found out the hard way during a Chess Merchant match.
And then I checked it in custom with bots.
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Basically everyone can, that's what makes it problematic, basically the same with saloon main building, either you have a chase power that enables a quick hit there or you basically have to abandon chase, because it will take so long to get a hit that you basically loose the game.
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