How do I counter 4 flashlight SWFs?

yeah, but they only get so many Unbreakables.

I have to drop roughly three survivors for every hook. Then they're too busy picking each other up to flashlight me. It's not easy and you're looking at a long game since they'll probably have Unbreakable.

Slug them. These groups usually spend minimal amounts of time on gens, especially when all 4 are following after you, so you can afford to spend some time slugging them all to waste up their Unbreakables. Eventually they'll make a mistake and that will allow you to either get a hook or get them all down. These games a LONG but if know when to slug and can capitalise off the mistakes they will inevitably make you can win.

Alternatively you can run Lightborn or Franklin's Demise to counter the flashlights. Infectious Fright and Forced Hesitation are good counters as well.

Or you could just play Pyramid Head or Sadako and never have to worry about them as you can just cage/condemn them :)

☝🏽All of this, all the way☝🏽

(Except I never play PH, but kno it works👌🏽…n I rarely EyeEmUp mid-match w her, but Sadako’s a perfect remedy; as well as Demise to combat the in-realm “rave” some of them enjoy so dearly.

4Clickeys in a lobby is often SWFly pre-established, or at least mutually, nonverbally aggreed upon by all.

When it starts getting obnoxious, it’s time to avoid abuse n switch up the approach.

yup. Flashlight saves are completely impossible if the killer has lightborn. Tbh i always use lightborn if there is 2 or more flashlights in the lobby. Yes you can play unpredictably to avoid them but i find it so much easier to just slap lightborn on and then forget about it. But i still pretend to avoid the beams so it takes them longer to realise i have it.

Lightborn is good for a set-and-forget option. If it looks like a flash squad, probably the best to run. You'll still be affected by Blast Mine, however, since that's a blind/stun combo. The downside is once flashlight trolls figure out they can't blind you they typically just DC.

Franklin's is good in a mixed item environment because it will make survivors drop any non-special item. Not only knocks the item to the ground but it erodes the charges the longer it's on the ground (90 seconds and it's useless). I find it's more useful vs flashlight SWFs because most of them only know one trick, so if you make them drop the flashlight many survivors will actually stop to pick it back up or try to swing back by to get it, giving you easier downs. This both tends to make them mad and want to get even so they'll keep coming at you, and are less likely to DC so you can get more points out of them (plus torture them for doing this crap).

If you're feeling plucky (or just want to meme) and are are good at your killer, run both. Makes survivors think you're just running Franklin's so they'll still put in effort to try to blind you and pick up the dropped flashlights, and usually takes them longer to figure out it's not working and thinking they just got a bad angle. They'll keep making risky plays and not spending time on gens, giving you more downs and time to get downs. You can rotate through them making them burn their Unbreakable so slugging is also an option, if you want to put them in a timeout. You'll get called so much sh*t in EGC it's good for the laugh.

Don't use lightborn: you will never get used to counter flash saves doing this.

Many people said the basic: hug your face into a wall to avoid a flash save. Always do a fake (stand right on top of the downed survivor, pretend to pick up but don't do that); some survivors will get hushed, get out of their hiding then you can hit them and do the pickup.

Some killers like the Knight/SM/Trapper/Twins/Singularity can use their powers to deny or hinder the flash save.

And the most important: think that if someone is waiting for a flashlight and you make them go down, its a enormous pressure you get -> 2 people downed and you everyone needs to leave gens to get saves and heals.

Lightborn exists for this very reason

You can run Lightborn and Franklin's, but you really don't need to. Look at a wall or any tall-ish object when you pick up. If you can't, slug them and find the person lurking nearby. Just follow a basic flowchart: can I safely pick up>no>slug and find the lurking survivor.

All hail to our lord and saviour Lightborn 😎

Not to mention it's uncommon enough that flashers will just keep trying, giving you that 8 second aura every time.

I consider it a perk that fills a slot unless I need that slot, but I get so much value. Agitation is the other slot-filler, and the two of them save me a ton of time on hooking. I don't have to look around, I don't have to be careful, I jog to the hook.

When you're going for 12 hooks, even 5 seconds each is a minute, not counting the time it saves you by not losing a hook.

Underrated Perk if there ever was one. Power isn't just what you can do, it's what you can ignore and what you can stop.

Lightborn is your friend.

Other than that, don't play their game. Make them play yours. If they keep trying to lure you to a certain part of the map, then you do not want to be there. They probably know why they do this and will blind you in spots where you can do almost nothing. If you have the chance to get someone into the basement, then use it. The basement is a pretty dangerous place for survivors and if you have someone down there, that can easily snowball into a win, if they don't play carefully.

Also, keep facing walls and try to stand as close to the wall you face as possible when you pick up. That makes it even harder to blind you. If you know, you won't be able to pick up that survivor because there is another in the area, then you can pretend to pick up to bait out the other survivor. This works especially well, if you first pretend to chas after them and then quickly make your way back. Chances are, they will run close to you and you can get a free hit.

The most important thing is to stay calm. As long as you stay calm, you will play to the best of your abilities, which means you can punish survivors for playing risky and making themselves vulnerable.

Lightborn on all killers 24/7 cause funny, lol

Mad grit mad grit, lol

If they follow you with beamers it makes it much easier to apply pressure to them. Prioritize injures rather than downs as when you do eventually get a down, theyll be more hesitant to go for the save.

Slugging goes well with the above, that can also pressure Survivors which might also prevent them from going for a save al together once enough is applied.

If a wall isnt nearby try picking up at the oddest angle possible, and believe it or not that can sometimes be a completely open space. When a Survivor goes for a save they have to be pretty darn close and dont have much time to be in the right position. Downing some one and simply looking towards an open space might make a Survivor start running from behind cover and into your line of sight, which is an easy hit. (This is a sort of bait)

Some killers can easily bait pick ups, the 2 most prominent are Hag and Trapper who have a very similar animation to picking up a Survivor when placing a trap.

FL squads are some of the most fun groups to go against for me as its pure action, no dilly dallying around. Use the above to your advantage and hope this helps :)

Both works fine with out, with the first one you chase number 2 (3,4) before picking up.

Number 2, i run that on my trapper and im surprised how many downs i get because people value their flashlight over the danger from starstruck, mad grid could also work on this, but thats 3 perks, but then we could go all in and get Agitation or Iron Grasp too. - but it will suck if no one is flashlight saving (you could ofc. go for basement hooks).

Everyone is saying lightborn, but sometimes you don’t pay attention and don’t have it but imo you don’t need it

Just slug everyone, depending on what killer and perks you’re playing this can be either very easy or alittle harder then easy

if you’re grabbing a survivor and they blind you and save them don’t panic it’s not the end of the game just try again but instead of grabbing look around your surroundings for a bit then go and wait a moment over their body and hear for footsteps if you don’t then go ahead and grab if you do then immediately try and hit them and rinse and repeat.

Edit: i didn’t completely read it but if you are slugging and stuff then like I said wait a beat and continue looking in your surroundings typically if you manage to slug 3 people you try your best to look for the 4th survivor

even if you get 2 downed they will be occupied trying to heal the downed one while you hover over the other

at the same time some games are just not meant to be sometimes the survivors play their cards right and manage to avoid you or have the perfect thing for you, sometimes got to just got do your best and move on

It'd be awesome if mad grit had no cooldown at all, even after getting a hit, lol

Eh people will say lightborn but then they realize that and then just sit on gens. Lose lose situation and if you do bring lightborn you will most likely get some messages post game.

Alot of flashlight users just DC or give up if they realize lightborn. And what are these messages post game? If you bring meta perks they cry, if you bring weak perks they cry.