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legion haters need to stop

i get sick and tired hearing all the whining about how weak he is, and same thing about any other killer the he was never post to be the strongest!!! each killer has a skill cap for some people it change)_ i play a the the and through my time gaining experience i learn that it would be harder to master each one at the same time but i would to so i continue dbd4life!!😎

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  • Mr_Myers
    Mr_Myers Member Posts: 422

    The thing about Legion is that they take the lowest amount of skill to down someone. Charge power, run to survivor, hit them for free, repeat 3 times and downed. And Frank's Mixtape is the only thing I will D?C against, there is nothing you can do vs Legion and with thana getting a buff it will be even worse. Who enjoys holding down M1 EVEN MORE in a round?

  • powerbats
    powerbats Member Posts: 7,068

    Frank's Mixtape + Stab Wounds Study + Moonwalk exploit=4k profit with no effort and no counterplay. Heck even the green/yellow addons require minimal effort to achieve a 4k.

  • HURRI_KAIN
    HURRI_KAIN Member Posts: 358

    Deep wounds shouldn't countdown while in terror radius, because legion can easily walk backwards and follow the blood and down any survivor after hitting with deep wounds.

  • HURRI_KAIN
    HURRI_KAIN Member Posts: 358

    Borrowed time should never have been nerfed, by getting 'deep wounds' applied to it.

  • SadonicShadow
    SadonicShadow Member Posts: 1,146

    People don't hate Legion because of his subjective power level. They hate him because he removes all skill from the game. The one thing in this game that provides real, dynamic interaction and is the core of the Dead By Daylight experience is the chase. How good you are at chasing/evading is one of the hallmarks that define a good player and a bad one. The Legion takes this idea and wipes his ass with it before burying it in a shallow grave. Chasing with Legion is a braindead experience and trying to escape him is almost impossible unless you get an actual Rank 20 potato with 5 hours in game.

    Legion is just a poorly designed killer gameplay wise. The devs did not carefully think it through the implications of his power and the effect it would have. They managed to develop a killer that at base is both ineffective and unfair. The worst of both worlds. He needs to be reworked.

  • Kaalaxi
    Kaalaxi Member Posts: 177
    edited March 2019

    The only thing you can do against Legion is sit on a pallet when they use frenzy(they need to respect it or they lose their power when they get slammed). If you can make them respect for a couple seconds they will be forced to run forward and get slammed otherwise their frenzy runs out before they can vault and hit you. Window juking works to an extent like on most killers. Its pretty hard to pull off but its possible.

  • MhhBurgers
    MhhBurgers Member Posts: 1,758

    A legion with frank's still cannot 4k a competent SWF deathsquad that genrushes him down, if you think so then you don't know how to play against him.

    If you think Legion takes literally 0 skill then you also have no clue and nobody should take you seriously.

    Stop being sheep and tout what your favorite streamer says. I heard a streamer say that a Zubatlel legion would absolutely perform the same as some fresh R20 legion that started the game 20 hours ago and knows the basics.

  • KiraElijah
    KiraElijah Member Posts: 1,187

    All the people calling him braindead or weak have never faced a good Legion

  • GrootDude
    GrootDude Member Posts: 14,110

    Other people “legion takes no skill”


    me “hillbilly honestly takes the least amount of skill”

  • se05239
    se05239 Member Posts: 3,919

    Like.. one who use Frank's and walks backwards while survivors bleed out?

  • KiraElijah
    KiraElijah Member Posts: 1,187

    No. That’s not good. Those are the scum of all Legion mains

  • Steamtastic_Vagabond
    Steamtastic_Vagabond Member Posts: 134

    Has any considered that you’re SUPPOSED to have a hard time getting away from a Legion. Discordance and Mad Grit Aden obvious direct counters to meta tactics (Gen rushing and obnoxious SWF body blocking). Given that the current survivor meta game seems to be built around lasting as long as possible in a chase (and not avoiding them) Legion wipes his ass with those tactics and forces survivors to do literally anything else to survive.

  • sulaiman
    sulaiman Member Posts: 3,219

    Well, i dont think chases are the core of the game. I think its just the way a lot of people play the game, especially experienced survivors who can loop the killer for minutes. Its also the "fastest" way to play.

    I for example have a lot of games where i am never even in a chase, because i like the stealth element of the game. So i could argue that this is the core of the game.

    You have killers and perks that attack the stealth-element, and you have killer and perks that attack the chase-element. I actually think that is good game design.

  • MhhBurgers
    MhhBurgers Member Posts: 1,758

    Bleedout takes way ######### longer than just following the survivor and hitting him again with franks.

  • powerbats
    powerbats Member Posts: 7,068

    Well what happens is they just cancel frenzy and moonwalk and the moment you stop to heal then frenzy cancel it M1 down, free hook. They made a mistake removing the Frenzy cancel keeping bar filled.


    That's what really allowed it to be worse than it already was, before at least they'd have to wait awhile before re frenzying to chase you and M1.

  • MhhBurgers
    MhhBurgers Member Posts: 1,758

    While Moonwalk is anti fun I still don't think it's an issue, it takes a long time to take down a survivor with moonwalk. I mostly just look at the ground when playing legion after breaking a pallet if the survivor gets a ton of distance because of that pallet so I can m2 again (no franks) to down them.

    There's a bit more to legion than just moonwalking every encounter, if you want to do that you'll lose against survivors who know what doing gens is.

  • Aven_Fallen
    Aven_Fallen Member Posts: 16,511

    I mean, of course, Legion Mains are the only people who say he requires Skill. I am a Survivor Main, I can also say that Survivor is way harder than Killer. But it is not true, the same goes for "Legion needs Skill to use".

    Even without the exploits he is simply braindead. Furthermore, Legion really benefits from those Survivors who heal against them. This will be even worse with the Thanatophobia-Buff, I am really considering to DC instead of seeing people healing with Self Care for a Minute or whatever it will take.

    It is sad that there is no real downside to his ability, of course there are more hits needed, but fhe first two are free. And if he is missing a hit, either because he is too dumb to hit M1 in the right moment or the Survivor is dodging the Hit, there is no penalty at all. Dodge a Legion hit 3 times? Ah, no worries, Number 4 will hit, no reward for you, Sir.

    Last but not least - Deep Wound just looks horrible. I cant see ######### when the timer is low.

  • GrootDude
    GrootDude Member Posts: 14,110

    @Aven_Fallen legion still does take skill, I main billy and honestly he takes the least skill.

  • MhhBurgers
    MhhBurgers Member Posts: 1,758

    Do you understand what NO SKILL means?

    A good legion will:

    -Apply pressure to your whole team and not just tunnel 1 person but try to surprise somebody who didn't think of him finding him during the mend because he saw him hitting another person. Doing this is really difficult as you have to find the first person, sure it's also luckbased but it takes getting into the mind of the survivor that you're trying to find too. This ofc as many things does not work against a well coordinated SWF.

    -Know when to use his power during loops, a good legion will pressure you into using that pallet without getting stunned, stunning a legion with a pallet is essentially a won chase unless he uses enduring ofc.

    -Know how much distance he can get with his power, is it worth getting your deep wound timer down or should I just try to m1 you? Can I reach you with 1/3rd of my bar or should I wait to 50%?

    -Judge distance to the next loop/Pallet and accordingly either save up his power or bodyblock you or just m2 you.


    If you think that some R15 legion who can barely track you after you vault that window and juke a bit is the same as an R1 legion then you're being delusional.

  • Aven_Fallen
    Aven_Fallen Member Posts: 16,511

    @MhhBurgers

    And still I have seen Killer Streamers, who barely knew what they do, but still were at Rank 1. Played once vs a Myers, he was playing pretty bad, got one Kill because he camped someone in the Basement and another with NOED.

    I watched his Stream afterwards, because I simply like to see those games from another perspective, and he was a new player. His Killers were not even close to level 50, but he had Legion on P3 50. So he went to Rank 1 only using Legion, without knowing how to play the game properly. Yeah, sounds like a lot of Skill is needed.

    I mean, if you have fun playing the easiest and most braindead Killer, fine, everyone can do what he wants to do. But please stop spreading lies that he needs Skill to play. Maybe after a rework I will change my mind, but not with the current state. (The overall concept of Legion is interesting and the visual design is really, really good, but he is not good for DBD)


    @TreemanXD

    I still believe Legion has the lowest Skill needed. Even though I would agree that Billy does not need so much Skill, at least compared to the impact he has on the game. Nurse and Spirit are way harder to master, but Billy manages to get similar results, while easier to learn.