the red forest rework....mother's dwelling......thoughts ?
i personally think the map has more problems now than it did before:
- Huge maps to traverse and control
- Killers with no mobility is like playing a hockey match where starting scoring is 10-0 and you trying to do comeback
- Those cursed bushes that block every killer power are everywhere....
- the trees are made of soap. even blight cant traverse he will spend time sliding all game
- too much cluster in the way range killers suffer
- That freaking Main building has a god window connected to multiple strong windows and pallets, that i develop a hatered for whoever loops it even tho its not their fault its the map makers......
was this remake supposed to make map better ? or the people who take in feedback and those making maps dont communicate at all ? few playtests and you can see the issues ataring back at you..... i just afk when i get this map as killer i really cant be bothered against a good survivor team
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It was just a graphic rework, which made the maps really pretty, but unplayable on. There's clutter everywhere, mother's dwelling is gigantic, gens are super spread and there's plenty of safe loops
Overall, gameplay wise they both got worse just cuz of the added clutter and unpolished hitboxes, and they should actually get reworked
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The map didn't get better in balance wise.
I hope Mother's Dwelling to be on BHVR's map balance radar after Garden of Joy.
This map shouldn't be big like this.
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trying ro play huntress/ slinger or trickster is so rough with so many trees and horrible collision bushes in the way
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"the trees are made of soap. even blight cant traverse he will spend time sliding all game"
I hate it when my bottles (Clown) remain up there midway...
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wait i didnt know about this
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I meant they explode, naturally. I anticipate where survivors will be but my bottles land on obstacles.
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There is an absurd numbers of those broken bushes in mother dwelling too many to count everywhere.
even ones that make a straight up blockade when combined with trees on the ground
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They really messed up on Mother's Dwelling. The graphics are objectively better than before but I prefered the old version still. The new is this kind of green-greyish hue that looks nice at first but gets really old and kind of ugly later. The gameplay wasn't all that great to begin with but at least it didn't screw every killer in roster.
Now, even Blight and Billy look at this map and cry. Blight can work, if you know exactly how to hit every one of those trees and Billy is just straight up depressing. Mother's Dwelling used to be one of his better maps but now it's among the worst. The chainsaw isn't worth much, if you need to stop and rev again 3 times before you finally make it to the other side. A M1 killer can walk that distance in almost the same amount of time. The loops became stronger too, which really wasn't necessary.
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I feel the mother's dwelling is okay in size and with the main building. In fact one of my favorite maps with respect to map design is that one. You actually have to look around to find objectives, position yourself to help out teammates, and actually can run away if you want to hide without hitting the edge of the map within 2 seconds.
The debris could use a review, just like the Borgo got recently, and make sure the visuals match the hitboxes.
Contrary to the previous posts I don't think small maps are better for the gameplay, or closer to a balanced setup. I want to enjoy the maps I'm playing on and have some breathing room instead of being locked into the ~20 sq ft area like the new MacMillan maps feel like now. Not everyone wants to play a constantly-in-chase constantly-in-heartbeat survivor game.
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I actually love this map. I struggle at times too when playing survivor - for one, getting caught on random obstacles during chase, not to mention the size can be difficult when someone is hooked on the opposite side of the map. You need to leave your gen pretty much instantly to ensure you get to them on time. As for killer, every map is going to be good or bad depending on the killer you play. Maps that are strong for some killers will be weak for others. I suppose it's all part of balancing.
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could you tell me what killers benefit from this map ?. there is a badly balanced map that an work on some killers. RPD and stealth killers. then there is objectively bad map. god windows shoudld be a thing in the past and if iam playing m1 killer i dont bother chasing a good survivor main building i will lose the game if i do...
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mother's
dwelling
main
still
has
that
window
open.
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Too big, too cluttered, too many blockages/things to get hung on. For both killer and survivor.
The main house can be an infinite chainable.
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Remember when the devs announced map changes in 2020 that included reducing the size of maps like Rotten Fields? It was nice, but I really don't understand why THE BIGGEST MAP IN THE GAME never had it's size reduced, nor back then nor in its rework that came later. To make it worse, it's more cluttered now, so you have to walk even more around objects, which means you might take LONGER to traverse the map now than before. Also, the house can still spawn a god window depending on the RNG, and the clutter is quite deceptive: due to their shape and color, sometimes you just don't notice how big the tiles actually are. Seriously, I think I've never seen so many people getting randomly stuck in tiles during chases as much as in the reworked versions of Mother's Dwelling and Temple of Purgation.
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