is purposefully doing nothing but hiding for 25+ minutes be considered taking the game hostage?

disconnecting and giving up everything is not a reasonable response to survivors holding the game hostage. The killer has all but won at that point, that would be like survivors DCing while in the exit gate (except even worse, since EGC sets a hard timer on the match at that point.) There's spite and then there's holding the game hostage, and even killers who do things like 4 man slug/bleedout have a cap of 4 minutes, not up to 60.

Killers trapping someone in a corner making them unable to move is something that appropriately gets called out and reported, yet people seem willing to defend never touching the objective when its down to two survivors. Both are against the rules, and killers should not have to DC and take the L for a match they've pretty much won.

I had a game where the four survivor did nothing but hide for 45 minutes, all recorded, all reported : nothing happened to them. (In game report + video in additional report).

They had that perk to make some noise, its name escapes me at the moment. They were using it from time to time.

It's pretty clear they came in just to waste time.

That is all fine and a very commendable sentiment, feel free to stay in any game as long as you feel comfy.

I see a lot of people trying to defend the undefendable here. No, the game doesn't "push" you to do this or "leaves you no other option". That's simply not true. If it was, people would do it all the time. There is a CLEAR difference between trying to stay away from the killer but trying to do objectives while they are away or hiding at the edges of the map while doing nothing. The rules are against it and there's a specific mechanic made to stop players from just hiding in a corner for long times while doing nothing. People who do it are aware of it but try to circumvent it by moving around a small area once in a while to stop the crows from appearing while STILL doing nothing, not doing objectives or participating in normal gameplay and, above all else, trying to make the killer unable to finish a winning game and potentially force them to DC. You can try and say it's "a battle between the last two survivors", but most of the time I've seen it happen, when I find one I quickly find the other, because they were actually hiding together. Once a hiding survivor I killed straight up admited they were trying to punish me for "hook guarding" (I guess it was a fancy way of calling me a camper). In other words, it's done to hold the game hostage, punish the killer and to atempt to force them to dc. So yeah, it's toxic and a violation of the rules.

And no, survivors DON'T need to be buffed because of this. It's already stated to be a bannable offense and most of the community seems to understand that. Still, every time it happens it's insufferable. What needs to be done is:

1. Create a mechanic were all survivors get crows if none of them spends a certain ammount of seconds performing actions and also isn't in a chase after long periods of time. Again, LONG periods of time. There is a clear difference between a player trying to play stealthily and one hiding in a corner to hold the game hostage.
2. Create a reporting system that actually works and gives the player the tools to give the devs all the needed information about the occurrence IN GAME, instead of having to open a ticket every time.

Do you wanna know why things like this are rarely punished? Because the report system is AWFUL. In-game you only have a tiny limited space to write your report, which is often not enough to explain what happened. To make it worse, there is something many people don't realize: the ONLY in-game reports that can lead to bans are the ones about hate speech and harassment. The other options lead nowhere unless you open a ticket, but this is not instructed in-game and lots of people report griefing in-game only without knowing it won't do anything.

To make it worse, not only you need to open a ticket, you need to provide recordings of the match. Most people don't record all the time to begin with, and doing it may decrease your fps. Even worse, the file size you can attach in a ticket is quite limited, so you ALSO need to edit the recording by cutting into smaller ones.

So, in order to properly report a griefer or cheater, you need to record as much as you can during the match, report in-game, then minimize the game's window, open a website, login, edit your recording, open a ticket with a larger text, attach your recordings and send. That is way too much work and time spent when what you actually want to do is just go as quickly as possible to the other match, so most people don't even bother. The best solution for this would be implementing some sort of replay feature that allowed devs to review reported matches. But I don't know if it's possible to make it work in this game at all.

yes it is hostage taking. it is problem in the game that they have not fixed/addressed in the game. end-game stealth.

won't work because survivors gen tap gen for 1 second then you have wait 2.5 minutes. it would have to be something like after 2 minutes, you unconditional gain noise notification when two or less people are alive after 1:30-2 mins. technically people can stealth with 3 survivors alive but that is just weird. you should be able to find survivor when 3 people are alive anyway.

there are more effective ways to keep the crows away without the need to interact with anything in the map

Eh, change it to instead be like:

• Repair a gen for 10 seconds
• Cleanse a totem completely
• Heal another survivor completely
• Heal yourself completely.

But you get the idea, basically, they get crows unless they are doing SOMETHING that progresses the game, and also makes it slightly easier for the killer to find them.

i'm seeing a bunch of comments that ask OP to bring perks or "leave the game" as a solution to a problem such as this. i'm in hard disagreement with those statements and here's why:

basic etiquette is something that should be practiced from the start, from all players in all games. a player should not be required to change their entire playstyle or forfeit solely because of someone else's behavior or poor decision-making. this not only is being said because of the game being extending out far longer than it needs to be, but the overall health of the community and how we treat each other.

the issue with DBD is that the game relies way too heavily on the roles to do their part in order for all players to have a fun and relatively decent game. even for me as someone who absolutely loves this game and tries to be a beacon of positivity, i am finding myself more commonly in games that involve:

• survivors leaving others, or myself, to die for unknown or very selfish reasons
• disrespectful behavior in-game that could upset a player
• players becoming vengeful and going about ruining the experience for everyone else after an incident that happened in-game
• stereotypes are created and followed for types of players, thus creating a negative outlook and less heart in their participation

and more.

but the counterargument to this is:

DBD by itself is not designed to be the terrible game that everyone makes it out to be. it's not designed to be the game that gets dragged out for 60 minutes straight because players feel like that it's necessary to do so. DBD by itself is just a game with 4 survivors and 1 killer, and we're all here to play it. with that being said, it is up to us to make sure we create an experience that we can all enjoy and stop doing some of the things that we've been doing for so many years.

it's not a matter of "well the devs need to do something!!!" about this either. this is about what us players choose to do with our time on here. the devs can only do so much before it boils down to the community being the problem. i've been saying this since the start.

WHATEVER NEGATIVE EXPERIENCE A PERSON CHOOSES TO CREATE IS NOT BHVR'S RESPONSIBLITY. BHVR can moderate games as reports come in, yes, but at the end of the day it won't do them any good to respond to reports of games being held hostage if this sort of thing is normalized and seen as acceptable to begin with. why should they act on something that we bring upon ourselves each and every time we decide to be emotional about what goes on? dead by daylight is an asymmetrical party horror game. it is not an obligation. almost every single problem (beyond certain aspects of game design) are strictly our fault, and i really want people to stop making excuses for irrational behavior.

if you are one of these people that choose to waste others' time and continue this trend of irrationality, you are the issue and it is nobody else's fault except your own.

if you are one of these people that seek revenge over something so small such as a missed skill-check or a beefy smack on the hook, you are the issue and it is nobody else's fault except your own.

if you are one of these people that are overly rude, selfish, or arrogant and aim to make a fellow player's experience as miserable as possible you are the issue and it is nobody else's fault except your own.

if you are one of these people that take aspects of the game super seriously to the point where it hurts you and others' experience, you are the issue and it is nobody else's fault except your own.

there is no way for me to soften this for anybody. everybody on this platform needs to take a deep breath and realize why we're even in this position to begin with.

There is no valid reason for a survivor to not do anything to progress the game for a full 2 and a half minutes. If they don't, then they are just trolling either their team, or holding the game hostage.