Wraith Tweak/Buff? Standard Stun Duration
Since Onryo's rework now has her not be able to be stunned while demanifested, I feel like it only makes sense for Wraith to at least have it so that he just gets a normal stun duration while cloaked, but not be uncloaked in the process. There is no real reason for him to be punished harder for being in stealth, but Onryo is rewarded. Especially when it comes to Orange Glyph challenges, the extended stun duration is even more ridiculous. It would be a nice quality of life change for Wraith players, while not making him much stronger overall.
Note: I mean that while cloaked, Wraith should have the NORMAL STUN DURATION instead of the extended stun duration, and that he remains cloaked after a stun instead of being forcibly uncloaked.
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Remember Sadako can't bodyblock survivor tho...
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That also means that survivors can't bodyblock for each other. Its not strictly a negative for her.
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1.Cloak Wraith movement speed already faster than Sadako,
2. When uncloaking also gain speed boost
3. Wraith can bodyblock survivor, make survivor can't reach pallet or window
If give cloak Wraith immune to pallet stun again, Wraith will be too strong.
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Imagine Wraith with +60% pallet break speed addons + uncloak after kick and just into survivors either they drop you break it instantly then hit them or they don't drop it and then you hit them... So not a good idea...
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I didn't say immune, I want it just to be a normal stun. It is inconsistent and sometimes it happens as a bug, and no one has a problem with it when it happens because its just like every other killer. I just want normal stun with no force uncloak instead of longer stun with force uncloak meaning you have to recloak again on top of the extended stun.
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That combo already exists and has nothing to do with the stuns. If you have an issue with the add on combo, thats something else entirely. Wraith is the only killer who gets an extra long stun while using power. On top of another killer with a mini version of what he has, because Onryo does get a tiny boost out of demanifesting, is entirely rewarded for getting stunned when using the power.
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I think Wraith is in a good spot, especially now that Lightburn finally got removed. Unlike Wraith, Sadako doesn’t move faster while demanifested, can’t bodyblock survivors while demanifested, and doesn’t get a speedboost when manifesting like Wraith does when uncloaking. Wraith also has better stealth than she does since she has a lullaby.
I do wish Wraith had some more interesting addons that weren’t all copies of each other, but his basekit is perfect as is imo.
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Other than the fact that if you don't drop the pallet and they uncloak you generally will get another loop because they have no uncloak speed addons then drop it while they are uncloaked like a normal killer or if you panic drop if you can spam vault it so they can't kick the pallet.
It sure doesn't look like a good idea if you play directly into their build or poorly but thats how a lot of things in this game look. Trust me that wraith build isn't even his strongest
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Fully agree! At this point I think wraith is in a place where the devs just need to make sure no new bugs impact gameplay. Otherwise, there are more pressing issues to fix.
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My point was it would be rather dumb if this addon combo worked in a way where he is also stun immune, because what are you gonna do in that situation?
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I know, but in combination with no stun at all while cloaked it would be stupid.
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I don't want him to have NO stun. I want him to have the standard stun duration and to not be forced to uncloak.There is a bug currently where that happens, and every time it does, I wish it was standard. Its so punishing when you are uncloaked on your end but due to latency the survivor gets the stun on the last frame, so you get an extended stun anyway.
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Ok then, but he does get benefits to some actions while cloaked, so it is somewhat fine that he gets stunned longer, it is a risk reward type of thing, if the survivor drops the pallet to early you kick it really fast, but if you wait too long you get hit through the drop... I think it is fine as it is.
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He has one set of add-ons that provide a buff while cloaked. Shadowdance is the only one. Every other add on does not provide action benefits. If the purple Shadowdance had an increased stun in exchange for the benefits it gives, that would be more than fair. But for everything else, why is that extra punishment necessary? The only other benefit outside of shadowdance is movement speed, but many other killers get movement speed with no additional stun requirements (ie Blight, Spirit).
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That stun is BRUTAL. I’ve been assuming it’s a bug for the longest time, but idea why it hasn’t been fixed by now.
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Because it offers you some form of counterplay? The Wraith does not want to uncloak unless he can get a hit because it costs time, I just don't see the reason there to change something about Wraith currently, he really is just fine?
Ok so lets say he suffers the normal stun duration during cloak, so basically enduring is a given and then you just run through every pallet while cloaked, how does this add anything to the gameplay? At least currently you have this interaction about will he wont he fully uncloak , but that's gone because the stun is the same, he does not get punished if he gets it wrong, I think it is a nice interaction and I don't see a reason to change it.
The problem is if you are directly behind a survivor while you run through the pallet loop and uncloak you will basically get the hit with the increased lunge, so you create this lose lose situation for the survivor as I already explained before. And that's just not good gameplay.
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Onryo actually gets slowed down a bit when coming out of her cloak, not a tiny boost. I think the current stun is fine because if you do get stunned as a wraith in cloak that is 100% your own fault. I cannot even remember the last time I got cloak stunned as a wraith and every time I have; I recognised it was my own fault. If you wanna buff wraith, bring back his uncloak lunge that he had, that was so much fun and actually gave wraith some relatively decent anti loop.
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Why is Wraith the only killer who needs an extended stun for counterplay?
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Which other killer has a similar risk reward kind of thing? For example when you look at huntress with walking through the pallet or getting your hatchet ready you already have something similar, because of the slowdown she gets for mistakenly raising her hatchet you don't need a longer stun here, because putting away the hatchet already gives the survivor enough time to make another loop or in the other loose situation she will get stunned and you have to potential to make it to another tile.
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