Why is Windows NOT a strong perk?

"UW isnt strong because its still up for killer to get a down"

Now who said this because UW doesn't even require you to get a down, it's a press space at locker and know where everyone is for 30 seconds straight type of perk... We need to talk.

Edit: I read it wrong don't mind me LOL.

from my experience the perk is as strong as the person who uses it

I’ve seen people just either pre dropping + autopilot with the perk or others becoming uncatchable

i used to run it myself but when I heard about the “nerf” (which was a bug) I dropped instantly and started playing without it

It is a very strong perk. It bridges the skill gap between players, who know maps and players who don't. WoO also shows you exactly how to run (because you know the exact location of all resources around you).

I would argue that WoO itself isn't that strong.

It does provide useful information that solo q players can be lacking which can make it worth the slot. The real strength of WoO comes from maps having strong chainable tiles that WoO highlights.

Like I said, the application it does have is that it'll show you what resources your teammates used. That's decent, but it's hardly all that strong- it's not the same as never running into deadzones, because sometimes you don't have a choice in that, but it does mean you aren't likely to do it accidentally.

For all other instances, it does nothing you can't do without it. It's fine, there's nothing wrong with it in either direction, but it's consistently portrayed as being way stronger than it actually is.

I didnt quote from the OP. Just telling why WoO isnt op.

To be fair, I think survivors should always know where titles are to make play of looping/chaining. Given the same knowledge, the different is only which survivors make the best loops/chaining titles play.

Hoping WoO nerf is like hoping survivors run into death zones for a free down, which no skill needed on killers.

It is a strong perk. The argument people make is that it isn't broken or OP. I think all survivors are aware of how useful the perk is.

It is powerful, but IMO in the same way BT was powerful prior to it being base kit. It lets you know which pallets in your vicinity are still up, something SWF comms can tell you but current survivor basekit cannot. IMO windows cannot be nerfed without significant buffs to survivor basekit or nerfs to killer (probably the former in the form of a weaker windows basekit)

"tbh I'm a little surprised to see it as often as I do"

Tbh I'm not. I never touched it once in 2.5 years, but started using it regularly several months ago. I think a combo of things has made it popular, such as new map reworks generally cutting down pallets (particularly safe ones) and having more deadzones. Also SBMM has gone up the wazoo somewhere along the line, and it's good to know which resources your team mates are just burning through. Also the fact that other popular perks are being reworked to be so situational, so having a perk that gives value passively as you focus on your objective is nice.

I've stopped using it completely recently (I've gone completely off meta) and found that my games and chases aren't really any different without it. So it's saying something that I was using a perk that I probably didn't really need to be using. Or maybe it helped me learn tiles better? Who knows.

I do think WoO should go on cooldown after a vault, but not to nerf it really... but to help new survivors actually learn tiles.

WoO is a bit like a satnav in car; because it tells you where to go all the time, you never really learn the actual route.

If it went on CD after a vault (even just 20s), you would need to remember nearby vaults and pallets after your first, and that would really help actually learn the tiles.

A cooldown on it would make the perk more engaging to play with, and it definitely wouldn't lose its primary value...

OFC survivor mains wouldn't see it that way, and still get upset about it, because "cater to killers" yadda yadda *roll eyes*, but I don't use the perk cause I'm still learning tiles, and this perk slows my ability to learn considerably.... but it is a nice perk when you have learnt tiles, and a CD wouldn't hurt an experienced players use of it at all.

It's a good perk that makes good players more consistent with foreknowledge of available loops.

Why are we talking about this perk?

Experienced players should know where (roughly at worst) where all windows and vaults are. Its a brilliant perk for newer players but its a bit like stabilisers for experienced players imo. Doesn't need touching.

Windows is strong, just not needs a nerf levels. Same as UW for roughly the same reasons.

They're just info perks.

Unless we get something like old OoO levels of info, which is basically perma wall hacks, they're probably not busted.

Windows makes the solo experience semi tolerable and is just generally a good perk. It's good, yes.

It is not overpowered. It doesn't need to be nerfed. It doesn't break the game seven ways to Sunday. It's simply a good perk, that's easy to use and provides helpful information. It's still up to the Survivor player to play well- if they predrop every pallet there's gonna be none left by 3 gens, they still need to loop and path properly and manage resources- it's not an auto win or anything like that.

It's just good and nice and it's found a spot within a meta because of it's ease of use and helpfulness in solo. Pickrate doesn't mean it needs a nerf, maybe we just need better alternatives.

WoO is strong because it stops chance, there’s a chance that the loop you’re going to doesn’t have a pallet or window, WoO completely negates that since you can run for a pallet or window

but it’s by far not broken or needing a nerf whatsoever killer or survivor players who think it needs a nerf are not right in the head. Its good and useful at what it’s supposed to do and does nothing else it’s a balanced perk

You aren't wrong but it generally just depends on the caliber of survivor and the killers they face on average. The better survivors can use it to easily link resources together and can use it to tell where resources are to link together at a glance. Newer players might like it because while they might not know how to use the resources properly or efficiently knowing where pallets are to drop in a panic is helpful. I think the main group that doesn't see it as useful is the mid tier survivors. They know how to loop alright but don't see the big picture of connected loops they mostly just see one loop at a time so rank the perk lower. That and depending on what killer you are against its perfect or its useless. The chainsaw brothers hate windows and nurse just doesn't care so depending on the player and what they feel like they face a lot (losses and times where the perk is useless always outweight when the perk feels useful even if its a 1:1 useful : useless just because thats how brains work) and you have plenty of reasons why it can have so many different opinions

I actually think this is one of the most accurate reasons I have seen so far as to why its so popular (you can see by night light numbers as well since the perk rework etc, its use goes way up). As well if you look at how there are less "auto include" perks now it actually means you have room for a perk like windows.

That said, its a difficult perk to know whether or not its actually working. For instance, the last match where you went down, perhaps there was a pallet you missed that if you had this perk you would have made it to? You cannot actually know that for sure. I will say I do think it is also great for new and pro survivors in that even the best survivor in the world cannot know if a pallet is used or where a pallet spawned in quite a few maps due to simple pure map RNG and this perk saves you there.