Someone break down for me why UW is OverPowered

So according to Huxy UW has a 45-50 second cooldown and according to Crowman it's a 60 second cooldown and the perk description says 30 second.

Cooldowns are subjective now? Everybody got their own cooldown? Anybody else who would like to share their personal cooldown?

Forums never stop amazing me.😂

If everyone screams as soon as you open the locker, because they're all already within your terror radius, Ultimate Weapon unambiguously has a cooldown of sixty seconds. The minimum time you have to wait before you can use it again includes both the active duration, as it cannot be activated again during that period, and the cooldown afterwards.

Ultimate Weapon has a variable cooldown that is at least thirty seconds, but can be longer, depending on how early the survivors scream. This is kind of immaterial when it comes to how strong the perk is, but it is just how the perk works. I'm not sure why you're contesting this when it's pretty obvious.

How does it activate on hook?

But that variable factor doesn't mean someone can come up with a random number like 45/50/60 and claim that's the cooldown and it doesn't mean they're entitled to call me "wrong" if I don't agree with that random number... I've only said UW's cooldown is 30 seconds which even by definition, is correct.

A scream is just a one time ping of your current location. If you move away, the killer has no idea where you could have gone. Not to mention that the scream bubble can even block information from the killer.

That's clearly not what I'm talking about though?! If someone asks me what the cooldown of UW is I'm going to answer "30 seconds". I'm not going to go down a rabbit hole like you.

Survivors not being good at hiding doesn't change that scream notifications are far weaker than auras for tracking.

Locker is NO counterplay, since the effect lingers, so you will scream as soon as you get out of locker and are in TR.

It's not that UW is just little effort, it's little effort for THREE effects - tracking, interruption & blindness - with the frist two being countered only by calm spirit, and latter totally uncounterable. WoO is also little effort, but you get only one effect (auras), and it can be countered by various perk or addons causing blindness.

Nowhere to hide is at least noticeable, bc you should recognize when the killer kicks a gen and beelines to you. UW triggers the instance you hear a TR without any warning. You cannot prepare for it.

WoO is not the only source of auras, you know. Esp. in soloQ you need auras to know what you random mates are doing. and UW totally shuts that off. Kindred does not work, bond does not work, hook auras do not work. With UW you can practically disable auras for the majority of a game, similar to a well hidden Third Seal Hex. And this is devastating for soloQ!

What UW needs, imo:

Either remove blindness alltogether, then it can keep its 30 lingering effect, or remove the lingering effect to 5 seconds, so you can ACTUALLY counter it by preemptively jumping into a locker. Near unlimited, unconditional blindness is a detriment to solo Q and should not be a thing!

That is a different discussion. You think it's problematic, I think it could use one change and would be completely fine (though I think problematic isn't the best word to describe it).

But then, why did you make the argument to nerf it for the existence of Nurse and Blight? Nerfing a perk is one thing, but when you take Nurse and Blight as a standard for what perks are acceptable, then that becomes an issue. Which is what I tried to explain. Nerfing UW doesn't really improve the whole Nurse / Blight situation, does it? They still remain just as broken as before.

So, I am less against nerfing UW for the sake of nerfing an overpowered perk (though, I do not agree with it) but I am against the idea of nerfing perks because they are overpowered on 2 killers. Because that would afford them to nerf half the perks available to killers.

My suggestion for UW would be to either not make it trigger DMS (I don't like that, for the idea of high mobility killers running across the map and randomly blocking gens) or to make it activate when you open the locker and let the cooldown begin immediately (I'd prefer that one). In my opinion that would make UW still a good perk but some of the supposed main issues would be gone.

😂. Okay Huxy, let's get you to bed.

45 seconds would give it a 1 minute 15 second cooldown. People keep forgetting that the cooldown is already 1 minute. Because you use it, then it "lasts" for 30 seconds, but then AFTER the 30 second duration is up THEN the cooldown ticks.

Its not more convenient than something like Nowhere to hide.

Think of it this way:

With UW:

• You have to check a locker, something you probably don't want to be doing anyway outside of 2 killers (which btw UW sucks on huntress because her TR is tiny), wasting time
• It has a 30 second duration then AFTER that the 30 second cooldown ticks, meaning it basically has a 1 minute cooldown, because once you use it, a survivor screams and you go after them. Rarely do you care if the other 3 survivors scream at that point, meaning effectively a 1 minute cooldown.
• The survivor SCREAMS meaning they know the killer knows were they are, giving them a warning.
• It only makes the survivor scream showing you where they were, not where they are. If survivors pre-run forget about it, and if survivors attempt to hide, walking movement speed is 2.26 m/s. Meaning that a survivor could easily walk 14 meters before the killer gets to them that's nearly half a terror radius and gives them plenty of hiding spots. And then if you don't find someone oh well, no perk for probably another 45 seconds.
• Blindness as a status effect is good against solo queue survivors, but useless against SWF. And i would argue that the entire blindness mechanic needs to be completely reworked rather than nerfing the perk because of it.

Now compare that with something like Nowhere to hide:

• You have to kick a gen, something you usually want to do, not wasting time.
• The perk has NO COOLDOWN. Meaning i can go around kick a gen, see noone, know that gen will regress a bit, and go to another gen and kick that one.
• It shows you survivors around a gen, meaning that, as you approach a gen, survivors tend to hide, you kick the gen, and they are likely still nearby.
• Even if they aren't nearby the duration and distance is quite large, being 24 meters means you are probably going to find someone, or at least if you don't, now you know where they AREN'T at, and you get some gen regression because you KNOW they aren't nearby to stop the regression.
• It shows the survivors AURA meaning you know EXACTLY where they are.
• The survivor gets no warning that the perk is active on them (unless they have distortion, but distortion is limited unlike calm spirit)
• On high mobility killers like blight and nurse you can actually use it to pretty much see auras on most of the map.

The only thing that UW really has on NWTH is the blindness. But i'd trade that any day for the loop that NWTH creates. Where i can, goto a gen, kick it, know if a survivor is nearby, usually with enough time to either see where they sprinted away, or definitely see where they are hiding. If i see noone, then i can be confident i'll get some good regression in, and i can go to another gen and repeat the process till i find someone. NWTH basically makes hiding useless because it centralizes around the objective that survivors want to be doing. And it is great when paired with other gen kick perks.

It wasn't really AA that was the problem. It was the combination of Starstruck, AA, and Nurse. Nurse has since had her blink attack count as an M2 instead of an M1 so she can no longer instant down survivors with expose. Of course, AA has not gotten reverted since that nurse specific change.

"The person I was replying to rather see every killer perk nerf if it to strong on the S-tier killers."

Love how you put a bunch of words into my mouth.😍 All I said was there shouldn't be a huge gap between the value Killers can get from a perk. I said devs should consider this when designing a perk. I didn't speak of nerfs or buffs.

You're going to assume all perks should be nerfed now because Nurse/Blight can get more use of them. That's why I'm mentioning a gap. The last problematic perk before UW was Starstruck in my opinion. The gap between that perks usefulness was so big that it triggered BHVR to rework Nurse's attacks. Now since Nurse can just blink and show up in a location I think they recreated that gap with UW which can be problematic.

Besides couple of perks I mentioned like Starstruck or UW, most perks are still in an acceptable state even though they're more powerful on stronger Killers. So what I said doesn't translate to "let's nerf everything because Nurse". Powerful doesn't always equal problematic.

I wouldn't even go that far. It was strong, but not p2w strong. More like Pay-to-hope-and-pray-I-have-a-chance-at-surviving-1-gen-cause-tunneling-is-even-easier-at-this-point-in-time. Once per match and just equipping it by no means give you this great advantage and higher probability for success to escape (or track and get kills in UW case which it does very well). A little spicy feet and some luck maybe skill to waste time, but also Unnerving Presence and Enduring were both strong shut-it-down perks for DS. Can't DS when you miss 1 skill check? Or just a well-timed 3 dribbles and a hook if you were savvy enough, and you didn't even need a perk for that. Hardly p2w if it's not letting me use it all game long and offers an array of different options to counter it. Even comparing across eras UW is still the better perk.

Also it literally has blindness in the perk? That doesn't give an advantage in chase if you pick one up near by? Information denial? Where it's happening at for comm callouts, killer location, where the down is, what resources are available if there is a pallet immediately there? Hello, WoO???

ITs not really that strong lol, going against good survivors it will basically render the perk useless, even solo queues with lack of coordination can handle the perk. Is it annoying? Yeah, but how many survivor things annoy the killer, almost everything.

But that isn't what a cooldown is and adding a condition of 'if I get all the value a perk can give over 30 seconds in the first .05 second' does not suddenly make UW cooldown universally 60 seconds. The perk has a set 'value' that can be gained over the course of its 30 second activation. Whether or not all the value is gained right at beginning or all at the end does not change its actual cooldown of 30 seconds.

While there might be instances that UW feels like it has a longer cooldown, at the end of the day it doesn't because you could find all 4 survs at the 29.5 second mark and still get the full 'value' that the perk can give right before it goes on its actual cooldown.

A 30 second activation window comes close to guaranteeing that you will find a surv with it and the 30 sec cooldown means that more than likely by the time you've chased, downed, hooked that surv, you are at or very near being able to activate it again. Saying that UW does have a 60 cooldown without adding the huge qualifier of 'in very specific situations where you get all the perk value right at the beginning' is pretty misleading. I am not saying you're doing that, but other people claiming the 60 second cooldown have.

Oh, yes, to be clear, saying that Ultimate Weapon has a 30 second flat cooldown and saying it has a 60 second flat cooldown are both equally wrong.

Ultimate Weapon has a variable cooldown of between thirty and sixty seconds, depending on when it actually procs. The activation window has to pass before the cooldown even starts, so it is meaningfully part of the cooldown before it can be used again. You can't give the perk a fixed number that is the definite real cooldown, because it varies.