What is wrong with stbfl?

I don't use the perk, so I'm not that well versed in the fine details, but I've heard people complain about how good it can be for tunneling/camping. Maybe that's the issue.

I think the problem is lack of counterplay. Obsession is meant to take hits to lose stacks but you can't communicate that in solo queue. Also, killers like demo with easy to use special attacks can use that on the obsession should they try to do this counter. You can't do anything about this and it just transforms some killers into save the best for last users instead of using their own power.

Also ever since they started using endurance for anti-tunnelling and camping, STBFL became an anti-anti tunnel.

The perk probably shouldn't work on endurance hits and there needs to be more counterplay to reduce the amount of tokens the killer has.

I use stbfl on slinger a lot, believe me when I'm telling you that I still use my power just as much. It's mainly helpful for me to be able to hit a survivor and then reload faster. It does shred through endurance though I will give you that, and I would say an endurance hit should take 2 stacks, but then what about a perk like dead hard?

Making Stbfl only have 6 stacks would literally change some milliseconds. The real problem with the Perk is camping.

Changing this perk is difficult because many lower killer more or less rely on it to have faster chases. Stronger killers don't really care about it.

An ideal change would be to nerf it's camping ability but to leave it's chasing power the same.

Well Deathslinger is an exception because his power combines with his basic attack.

I'm talking about special attack killers like Demogorgon, Pig and Mastermind. I've been against players that just use their power to conserve STBFL tokens and then they just use basic attack the whole game. A perk should never overshadow a killer power like that

You know what doesn't feel great as well? Playing an m1 killer like trapper, landing a hit, and then the person gets a free ride straight to killer shack or some unmindgameable loop and if you commit to the chase you lose the game because you can't mindgame the loop so you have to dance around the window 3 times until it blocks, hope that they don't have a connected tile, then they drop the pallet and you break it, taking a full 30-40 seconds to do so, then it takes another 20 to catch up after breaking the pallet. Meanwhile the other 3 survivors are on 3 different gens and oh look, they are done now gg. But if you don't chase them, they'll be back in it in 20 seconds. Rinse and repeat until eventually you lose.

STBFL is currently the only thing these types of killers have to close the gap right now. And you know who doesn't use STBFL? Spirit, blight, nurse, you know. The best killers? They don't give a damn and won't care when it gets nerfed. So what will the outcome be? Yet again, the low tier killers suffer and the high tier killers stay the same. All because the killer spent several minutes, building up their stacks (while the obsession did ######### all to prevent it for some reason) making it so the survivors get one less second chance and the killer can actually be a threat to them.

Look how many second chances survivors get without perks. Now look at how many second chances killers get without perks? You'll notice that survivors get many, and killers get 0.

The only change i think STBFL should get, is that the obsession gets a notification when the killer has it, so they know they need to go for body blocks. This is something that closes the gap between solo and SWF.

My precious Piggy is also good at preserving her stacks, if you're good with her dash. 🐷🐽

The fact that people know how to use this perk is enough

M1 non-Obsession to gain stacks

Then M2 when it comes to the Obsession

The only problem I see with it is that, once you get many stacks, it can be used to camp quite effectively. You can interrupt an unhook and, even if they start the action again and rescue right before being downed, you can than immediatly chase after the unhooked survivor. If multiple people bodyblock in order to stop you, if you have 8 stacks, you can still hit many of them and, a lot of the time, garantee you will have at least one downed, it's quite insane.

Otherwise, I think the perk is actually pretty healthy. It's a tool that makes m1 killers more efficient, and possibly the only meta killer perk that is a chase perk and not a gen defense, information or healing slowdown perk. It's far from problematic in chase, and it only allows for double-hits if survivors do a big mistake, like trying to spin and losing way too much distance or getting stuck in an object.

If i should guess.

"You cant trade hooks if stbfl its fully charged".

But that would be horrible. Most M2 attacks use much more finesse then just M1 a survivor in range and basically all have a big punishment attached, should the killer miss. A lot of the weaker killers in games CAN try to safe their STBFL stacks by doing an M2 attack, but thats still not an automatic success or anything and carries the chance of missing and letting the survivor escape. I think that skillfull play and right decisions should never be punished, just imagine if something like crouching against certain M2 attacks didn't work anymore, because "thats not how its supposed to work" (I am making this up as a hypothetical situation, of course), would the game be better as a result, because we eliminated a source of frustration from one side, by limiting counterplay and clever options from the other?

Weaker killers like Demo or Pig can get a big step up when they manage to preserve their STBFL stacks with their clunky M2, don't take this away :V

Killer main here.

Some things should not be touched. Long term movement speed from both sides and hit recovery from killers should always be standardized. The maps are balanced around the expectation of movement speeds and recovery speeds being the same. Changing those fundamentally breaks the balance of the game. We need those recovery speeds and consistent longterm movement speeds to be set in stone. Otherwise, everything falls apart like a house of cards. I feel pre-nerf MFT and STBFL were almost equal in regards to being broken. STBFL is less broken, however, as there is at least survivor counterplay by the obsession being on the front line.

Just my opinion.