What’s with every Killer running Pain Res and Pop?

Cause it's incredibly strong despite some killer mains hilariously trying to claim that gen regression is currently weak. I run it on all my killer builds as well.

Pain Res, Pop, Deadlock, Brine, Surge, Ruin, etc, gives multiple options to regress and block gens. Pain + Res + Deadlock is probably overkill or too much of an hassle when you want to pop the next highest progressing gen and it's blocked but yeah it's there. Survivors have strong perks outside of just gen progression, so not just chase perks, but Gens fly by so fast that gen regression is mainly the priority pick and of course killers will run the optimal build.

Because it's absurdly strong and pretty much guarantees a 4k, especially if you tunnel somebody out and still have three stacks of Pain Res.

I've pretty much abandoned survivor until these perks get nerfed.

Repairing 7-8 gens every game is just incredibly tedious.

Wait is every killer getting value from pop and pain res?

*cries in pyramid head*

I mentioned this in a previous thread but survivor mains told me i was wrong.

The meta shakeup was pointless. All it did was change which perks were used, but the perks that are still used are functionally the same. Killers still take 3-4 gen slowdown perks, its just now instead of it being ruin or cob/oc/eruption its pain res/pop. Still regressing gens functionally, but slightly different.

Survivors still run perks that allow them to rush gens (resilience/hyperfocus/adrenaline (takes away the punishment of not healing)) or extend chases (windows/any exhaustion perk) or to prevent the killer from "killing" (DS/OTR/UB).

You'll still see functionally the same perks every game, its just that the perks may change. This will continue to happen regardless of how many meta shakeups they do, until the fundamental game is completely changed such that these perks are no longer necessary.

Ideally, the game should be balanced in such a way that both sides can take 0 perks, 0 items, 0 addons and win 50% of the time.

It's due to all the regression perks in the game(with the minor exception to Surge) being horrible from their extremely heavy nerfs. Pain Res and Pop are the main two regression perks that are viable anymore until either BHVR adds new/better gen regression perks or they buff CoB and/or Overcharge.

Pop has returned to the meta?

Based.

Then the map is a dead zone and chases are way faster

Not really fair to complain about killer meta when survivors do the exact same thing.

& no its not impossible to do gens against that build.

And your evidence for that is what? Nerfing almost every regression perk?

In my opinion these perks are overrated, because the only way to take advantage of them is having the lead and continously downing survivors. Although it doesn't surprise me considering the alternatives: Ruin is tremendously weak and self-deactivates, Overcharge and CoB where overnerfed, Surge doesn't work on half the cast, Thanatophobia only works on Plague, Oppression is a bad joke, Dying Light and Pentimento are meme build material...

Deadlock is way better, you always get full value from it. And I think Gift of Pain is really underrated.

Hyperbole much?

Theres not "multiple god pallets" on any map Ive ever played.

Yes, creates a dead zone

You're conflating my argument. again, I never said anything about the map's balance. I was just correcting a statement.

As already mentioned, these perks give you an actual shot at winning when going against a strong team while still being able to go for some chases. I even throw Deadlock in there. Even with this build and consistent 30-45 second chases all it takes is for a coordinated team to continuously split up on gens and even though you’re averaging quick chases it’ll still be a close game half the time just due to gen speed and them spreading out on gens. Oh and don’t let one of them make it to a god pallet or something and actually manage a chase longer than 30 seconds while their 3 teammates are all split on separate gens. God forbid the swf decides to run buckle up+for the people.

Literally all this combo does is reward the killer for good chases. If you can’t get downs relatively quickly these perks really won’t do much to stop a strong swf, and again even if you do that still doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll win.

I’m only really talking about these perks in regards to swfs because with the new mmr changes I feel it’s all I go against at this point. It’s an arms race tbh. You start wearing Kevlar we start buying armor piercing rounds. Essentially killers will always be attempting to up the ante at the same rate survivors do, and vice versa.

I do wish off meta builds or non gen regression builds were more viable against a good team but they just aren’t. Until some fundamental changes take place that make it so that gen defense is not a requirement to win against a strong team we will always be stuck in this arms race.

That being said, I have been enjoying running a full chase build recently. Furtive, Friends, Nemesis, and Rancor. Extremely fun chase build but I’ve only been able to get success on Wesker and Xeno, so killers that already have strong chase and map traversal which is part of the issue. These fun little builds that killers would like to use are often times only viable on killers that are already quite strong.

Ironically, Thanatophobia again works on all killers, because most survivors refuse to heal. Its so wild...

Yep, I've managed to get some value from Thanatophobia earlier today, as I like to pair it with A Nurse's Calling.

It is an old trick, but sometimes it still works.