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Genuinely don’t understand Dull merchant gamers.
Every single time I get a dull merchant, everybody just goes next. Every. Single. Game.
How do you have fun with that experience? You don’t get any BP, nobody wants to chase with you, nobody tries. Do they just enjoy knowing everybody is miserable facing that killer? I don’t get it.
Even better is half of them will just slug you to death, or hit you on hook as if they didn’t just 4k in a game that nobody wants to be in in the first place.
Rant over…
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I don't know but i am not getting single normal match against her.
I know game will be terrible bad when i see her drones.
Maybe they are just enjoying easy wins, who knows.
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Not at all, I mean it when I say every single match. Nobody wants to play against her.
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I like playing skull merchant and im sure alot of the skull merchant players dont necessarily mind free wins.
I havent played her much but most of the time people just stay in and play and dont give up much.
If people just give up vs the new reworked skull merchant that cant hold games hostage anymore i just assume its entitlement.
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That's weird, I play Skully and don't do any of that. 😉
But no, that's the nature of players being pigeon-holed into the "meta" playstyle for her. I personally like her for adding risks to staying in the same area, but man is it a case where playing nasty works (see Pyramid Heads torment/never caging)
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I think her rework is just failed.
She is nerfed from imposible to finish gens to hard to finish gens level. She is still so strong to hold gens.
But now, her chase is so strong and the only counter is leaving loop but she will m1 you. So no matter what, you will down.
There is a lot strong chasers, some of them are even stronger than Merchant but non of them is boring like her.
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That’s the thing, I’m sure there are players who aren’t going to play scummy with her, but nobody waits around to find out. I think the stain she has is set too deep, she will never escape this cloud unless she gets a full (drone free) rework.
What’s the fun in “free wins”? That’s like me going into a lobby full of 100 hour survivors with alch ring blight. It would be a waste of my time. I don’t blame people for going next, she’s just as terrible, reworked.
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Winning is fun and there are players who go into lobbies with s tier killers with the best loadouts cause they want to win, i dont really see that as a rare sight.
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Is it winning when everybody immediately gives up and goes next? If you think so… then power to you I guess. Couldn’t be me.
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They want to show off their skills! 🙃
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People like to say they just really love her kit, she's fun to play. I don't believe it. You enjoy playing her because you know survivors hate playing against her.
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They definitely enjoy it. I had one yesterday where one person DC'd immediately when they realized, and another purposely went down and let go on hook. The killer went after the bot, and me and the other survivor just sat on gens. I didn't put up much effort when they found me after killing the bot, because the game is over, but they then left me downed to try find the last survivor. So my team mates abandoned us, I did the right thing by sticking around, and the killer still had no qualms about leaving me slugged for a "victory" over half a team.
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Yes it is and i believe the general consensus is that aswell.
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I have normal games with her so... idk where you guys all getting these "dull merchant everyone gives up" games.
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I had a few quitters when I started playing her, but got through that mmr-range fast. After that everyone plays normally.
There are quite a few who realized that they can defeat her outside of this forum too.
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In all seriousness.. I'm playing her basically non-stop and what you're describing happens MAYBE in 1/10 matches.. I can live with that. It's actually not my problem that people can't let go of the past and it's even less my problem what other players chose to make out of her. I can only speak from my experience and that is that 90% of my matches (I'd claim that it's even more - I'll try to remember to make a list and pay more attention to that) are real matches from start to end with no one killing themself or DCing.
Maybe I'm lucky - who knows.. Or Survivors notice quickly that I'm not 3-genning or tunneling or whatever BS could be done (which ANY killer can do...!)
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Oh yeah who could possibly love having on demand Undetectable, injuries without needing to be there, or pairing add-ons to gain faster action speed. If players hate that someone is enjoying these, then that's unfortunate but not proof of a sadist.
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I came back post Chucky patch. I've played 3 games as Skull Merchant so far. Not had anyone DC or give up on hook. I have had survivors inform me that facing SM is boring to face in 2/3 of those games... but still. No free wins so far.
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I do wonder if Behavior will do more with Skull Merchant since she wasn't on the road map. I personally don't think she is acceptable in her current state. Still by far the worst killer to play against. At this point I am in favor of just deleting her outright.
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Yes they're literally playing it because they know it's hated and want to make everyone else in the match miserable. It's that simple.
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Playing her gives you a much larger pool of games to speak on. Of course your experience will differ.
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Legit question: Are you talking about playing the killer in general, or are people still doing 3-gen stuff with her? What's the complaint here?
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Playing the killer in general, in my experience, leads to everybody going next at the sight of her, or giving one chase and going next.
Generally, yes, the SM’s I get 3-gen with full slowdown, and are usually pretty toxic.
No specific complaint, I just despise the killer. She’s brainless gameplay.
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Ah.
Then it's because people like her and your preferences are not objective. Disliking 3-gen gameplay is fair enough, but not every specific killer has to be for you.
I have to say though, I play her and I don't see that many people DC anymore. Most people seem to have caught up to how she's not a problem anymore.
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I don't get the appeal either. Slog Merchant is just boring to me. You do very little for maximum results and I really can't see how you would be able to mess anything up when you play her. With other killers you need to think about what you're doing. With Slog Merchant it's always the same approach and it works because there is so little counterplay.
I get not wanting to sweat every match but when I have nothing to think about and it always plays out the same, then I lose interest in the game. This is also how I feel playing against her. It feels like nothing you do has any impact on her because in the end, you will get claw trapped and you will go down quickly. You can't outplay her and you can't really play around her. The only option left is to win before she does, which you achieve by keeping the game as short as possible. But then, why would I play the game, when my goal is to not play the game?
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sigh... Take a look at the forum.. Survivors hate to play against everything.. Killers hate to play against everything.. DBD players hate to play against everything.. Better to not play at all?
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It’s not even just the 3 gen strat. He drones offer way too much for way too little. Amazing stealth, effortless injuries, forces survivors to move slowly, hinders in chase while simultaneously providing you haste.
Considering her kill rate tops any other killer by a large margin, I don’t really think your last statement is true. Atleast in these forums, where you will find your more dedicated player base, the general consensus is she’s still miserable to play against.
Perfectly said. You hit it spot on.
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Ehhhhh I feel like it’s a little different with SM. I would say she’s the most universally rejected killer I’ve ever seen in DBD, and I would bet most would agree.
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It's okay for people to enjoy different killers than you.
Personally tracking survivors with the drone and finding ways to sneak up on the survivor is fun.
Besides, DBD players love to quit against the slightest hint of a difficult game.
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It sure is. :) Never said it’s not.
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I - unfortunately - have to admit that this is true.. Still it doesn't mean that all of us have to hate her :)
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And that’s fine! If you genuinely enjoy her, then by all means. I’m happy for you. I just don’t understand it myself, based on my experience. xD
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"You don’t get any BP" That's a blatant lie- Bots will give you just about as much BP as normal players. Also it's just because a lot of survivors are still following that same trend of "it's not a basic M1 killer, go next" because they refuse to learn counters. It's been happening with most of the recent killers which is what I'm mainly hating with survivor mains at the moment because that's what makes the game boring imo because they just want all killers to be basic M1 only. It's why I like going against killers like Skull Merchant because you can't just default to the same monkey brain mode of running around a loop and trying to be as efficient as possible which brings in that sense of chaos and panic at times.
Also I just have to point out that her kill rates are the highest because they're still using data from pre-reworked Skull Merchant where it was basically a guaranteed 4k every match due to the 3-gen hostage strategy with her before her rework nerfed that strat heavily and the only reason the stats barely changed since then is due to how many of y'all fed her high kill rates post-rework making the "high kill rate" argument pretty much invalid at this point.
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I would say it's 50/50 whether someone gives up in my SM games which is funny cuz she's plenty counterable people are just too lazy to do it. It's really just a matter of hacking drones and holding W, not like people weren't already doing that against Artist.
I mostly play her when I want a break from Singularity/Xeno, having a killer in my rotation that doesn't need much mechanical skill helps me not get burnt out I find. It's not even about wanting easy wins that isn't the point I just like having a killer I can just turn my brain off and relax with even if I don't win in between games constantly managing EMPs or flame turrets.
I imagine it's the same reason so many survivors like MfT, sometimes you just wanna brute force chases with pure speed advantage.
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It appears you answered your own question with your very first sentence!
I don't play Skull Merchant but - as with many other players, both Killer and Survivor - winning is a large part of the enjoyment. It's also amusing from any Killer's point of view when someone has a hissy fit and disconnects or kills themselves on hook.
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I recently took a few months break and came back after Chucky was announced. I decided to purchase Skull Merchant (heard she got a rework) while I was waiting on Chucky to release, and I actually enjoyed playing her. She has become one of my favorite killers at the moment. She does have some issues that need to be addressed though.
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In the low tiers, Skull Merchant's I've faced are actually pretty cool and fun to engage with. Before my surgery, new Slull Merchant felt nice to use, and fun to play.
Being that I'm stuck playing as a survivor with my hand in a cast, I still manage to loop Slull Merchant about as well as I do anybody else, buying maybe 50-60s on average when I have all resourced available before I go down (unless I putz it, and go down in 10) xD
I believe people when they say SMs all use the same toxic gameplay... but I just don't see it at my level... I do sometimes wonder if the reason for all the toxic mid to high level Skull Merchants is the result of a self fulfilling prophecy, where because survivors keep pitching a fit and quitting, the character naturally attracts the people who want to mess with and upset survivors.
Maybe survivors constantly insta-giving up, and refusing to remove their SM bias is part of the problem....
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If everyone goes next against her, that to me says more about the survivor side than the killer, ngl.
Y’all never even gave her chance.
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Not that you would never to that, right?
FILTHY META BLIGHT?!?!?
How many baby Dwights have fallen to your evil schemes?
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At his point I'm startint to think that the hate train towards the Skull Merchant is simply a trend and not based on something objetive.
I've played as her a good amount of times and the survivor gave up to me very few times, not more than when I play other killers and survivos realize they're going to lose. So the "survivors give up against Skull Merchant" is an urban legend invented by her haters.
The "she still can hold 3 gens", well, A lot of killers can do and for example the Knight is better in that purpose currently, also high mobility killers like Nurse or Blight are better in that purpose than her and nobody compain about them in that sense.
Also the Skull Merchant isn't even a popular killer, I face one of them every 20 matches or less.
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Urban legend? Try getting matched against me as sm
Anyway how is it a fad to criticize one of the worst reworks ever? At least Freddy was just utterly made useless. She has everything possibly unfun in the game just as her basekit: free bloodlust, free hindered, free injuries, zero brain required. It's perfectly ok not wanting to play against this abomination, and criticizing & hating on it is not jumping a band wagon but perfectly legit
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Every time I get SM I feel genuinely unlucky that I accidentally ran right up to her.
But!
Then I feel super lucky, Im guessing the Entity is blessing me, so I try my unhook chances.
Sadly, I usually don't make it, and then, as luck would have it, my infant/cat/insert whatever you want climbed into the microwave again, and I have to run and save the day. I never make it back before the entity takes me.
Darn. NEXT
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Shhhh… this thread is about SM, not me. 👀
We won’t speak on my crimes…
The universal hate against her speaks VOLUMES about that killer. Lol
She’s just so stealthy… accidentally fell right into her arms… unlucky..
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A lot of people on this forum are in the sweat lord mmr and it shows from their posts. I played SM plenty before Chucky dropped and only had one game where everyone dropped when they saw her. I just farmed all those bots for what they were worth, didn't ruin my game lol.
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I play a lot of merchant now and I do camp or tunnel and I mostly run chase perks and ignore gens. I don't put my drones on gens or basement. But I still see people quiting all the time. Sometimes I switch to wraith just to have a serious match then realize people hate him to. I just want to play stealth killers.
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Have your infant and cat climb into the micro wave together and your spouse getting stuck trying to get them out. That adds another layer of urgency. I also "hate" the "I had something in the oven" situation. Can't let a perfectly good casserole go to waste but too bad, it seems I won't get to enjoy playing against this masterpiece of a killer. And nobody wants to eat a cold casserole, so I had no other choice but to eat it right then and there.
Also, that is kind of gracious, if you think about it. Your team mates get to enjoy all the more quality time with her after all, now that you are no longer there to hog it all to yourself. 😥
Tbf, why would we? After 2 botched reworks my good will regarding Slog Merchant is completely gone. I despise her. No, that's not strong enough. I abhor her and I have no reason to change my mind now. She still has the same problem that she had before from a killer's POV. She is pretty boring and has little depth in gameplay and from a survivor's POV they created a killer, that has pretty much no real counterplay. Don't mess up (not that you have a whole lot to mess up in the first place) and the survivor is screwed.
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The day will arrive
Just you wait
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Well not merchant fault ur team foesnt know how to play agaisnt her.If the team doesnt activate drones you are a ghostface with less undetectable
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I like Skull Merchant’s cosmetics.
That’s about it really.
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You are purposefully explaining Pigs kit, just to get her nerfed, again. T_T
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I am with @jesterkind here and I have player a good amountof Skull Merchant: yeah, some players mysteriously give up instantly against her, but most just play normally and U win some, lose others of this game.
What you describe is either bad luck, confirmation bias, so the games with DC stick out more, or just an individual killer MMR problem. So stick it out, stomp some more games and after 3-6 more you should leave the whiny baby range behind and enter the bad kids block.
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