DbD's New Stealth Meta

Lowkey thought you were going to complain about Red Herring and Pebble. Which are both honestly stupid fun perks. It isn't easy to get a killer to chase a ghost, but it's so satisfying when you do.

Honestly, I'm surprised that this hasn't happened sooner. Especially since 3 of the top tier killers have powers that actively make default tracking harder.

Opposite extreme? Its the most common thing nowadays to play in this way, tunnel out a survivor at 5 gens, sooner if possible, If I could tunnel them out of the lobby I sure would do it. And running 4 regressions perks as well, so every killer plays the same way, why is it a problem when a survivor tries to play differently? Not gen rushing, not being toxic, etc, just playing stealthy. Just think it for a moment and tell me its not hypocrite to say that.

I would be more inclined to consider nerfs to stealth perks after UW gets its nerf and something happens to hard tunneling. In the meantime, stealth is the most effective counter to tunneling and needs to stay. Once these changes happen, stealth will probably fall out of the meta anyways, and it would be a shame to remove more player agency and force everyone to play the same way.

Additionally, your complaints about Iron Will and Lightweight seem less about the perks and stealth and more about shift W gameplay, which is a separate issue.

I have noticed an increase in the amount of team mates using Distortion, Iron Will, and Lightweight, but I can't say that it's made them play any worse than usual. I had a game yesterday where all 3 of my team mates died and I saw in postgame they all had Distortion. So I was the only one the killer could see all game (he left me alone after 2 hooking me, pretty sure that's why). I just had a game now where the killer 2 hooked everyone before going for kills and the only person to die before we popped the last gen had Distortion and Iron Will. The aforementioned killers were a Wesker and a Wraith. I do believe most killers are capable of working around these perks. At least in my experience. The team mates who are useless tend to bring perks like Left Behind or Self Care more than anything.

I love those survivors that bring a stealth builds and pair it up with the most neon flashy bright cosmetic in the store lmao priceless 🤣

It is only information, it does not make your chase easier, however made for this made your chases easier and made some tiles that are usually unsafe or mindgameable into a safer version.

That's the problem when BHVR try to balance maps. Some parts become so incredibly safe that these resources could last for 5 more games and others become dead zones right off the bat. It's why Rotten Fields and Torment Creek are the only Coldwinds I still like to play from time to time.

Rotten Fields has some parts that are a bit weaker but no "Hehehe, you like resources? Well, better make your way across the map towards your endless pallet supply." mentality and Torment Creek only has 1 gen in a consistent dead zone that you can play around.

It's not fun when the killer cannot get a hit because there are still 50 pallets left and it's not fun when the killer gets free hits because there are no resources either.

Thats nothing new. Those are pretty old tactics. Or does no one remember Ninja Claudettes with darkest Moonlight offerings?

Rancid Arbattoir is the only map I can think of that spawns too few pallets. All the other maps that were changed still spawn more than enough windows and pallets. I can't think of any other map that has been butchered.

Also, in my experience Nostromo Wreckage and Toba Landing also still spawn more than enough usable windows, that's for sure. They do also spawn a fair amount of weak windows, that's true, but there are enough good windows as well.

I have been playing a lot of DBD recently, and have not seen any map butchered in any way, except maybe for Rancid, admittedily, and even that map can be rng based. But saying that Rancid only spawns with 2-3 pallets is such an exaggeration as well.

I bet I can still do it.

It will be hard because of those garbage reworked maps, but I think I can still pull that off. I was a relatively good Blendette.

I don't see a problem with it, I just find it boring. If survivors are happy with getting their escape from games with no interaction with the killer, that's up to them. As far as I'm concerned, it's not what I'm looking for and I'd rather uninstall the game than play like this.

It only becomes really annoying when several players take that route and give up, turning it into a competition to see who can get the hatch.

I think it’s because of the complete meta shift and how most of the original survivor “go-to” perks have been gutted.

Look at it like this: back when the meta was DS, DH, BT, and either UB/Adrenaline, even weaker survivors had crutch perks to waste the killers time. What I mean by this is that survivors with little-to-no chase skills were able to still play aggressively with these perks, and even though they couldn’t loop, were still able to waste time. Remember when survivors used to flashlight click/fast vault to get your attention? Sure, it still happens but nowhere near as much as it did.

This is simply because you can’t be carried by perks alone now; skill and map/tile knowledge is a must if you want to be decent at chases/wasting killer time. Since the meta was gutted, a weak survivor is now far, far more vulnerable than they were back in those days.

Stealth is certainly becoming more popular as it’s both easier to waste the killers time without the pressure of chase, and equally, tunnelling is by far the new killer meta so survivors are trying to avoid being the chosen one. I think this isn’t helped by the fact that the two, so-called “anti-tunnelling” perks aren’t too great. DS is useless, and whilst OTR is good on paper, a lot of killers just eat the endurance hit early on so its secondary effects are pretty useless if you’re engaged in chase anyway.

To be clear I didn't say it spawns with 2-3 pallet in total. I said it spawns 2-3 pallets on the opposite side of shack (most of the time). My most common spawns are the Harvester (no pallet), the Jungle Gym in the corner's pallet (if it isn't an L-T wall), a tent pallet somewhere, and if you are lucky a circular hay pallet (as opposed to the long H hay pallet) on the opposite side of the Harvester from the Jungle Gym. So I guess that's more accurately 1-3 pallets. Also I don't know what is with my luck on that map, but I nearly always get a hill on that side of the map (as both Killer and Surv), which does nothing for Survivors other than hinder unhook attempts.

As far as Nostromo and Toba they mostly get the new Jungle Gyms, which are weak at best, or confusing and free Killer hits at worse. I think they often spawn pallets and windows on the same side of the loop, so that severely limits their usefulness, and leaves the opposite side as a complete deadzone mid loop. Even Nostromo's unique structures are basically a free hit for Killer. The secret room window is a free hit, the middle side window is a delayed hit (since they can't reach another loop or go back up to the window due to the stagger), the main pallet only prevents a hit with a stun same as both side pallets (so they only have value standing and faking a drop), and the window near the back gen is essentially a z-wall window. The small crashed ship has only one of those stun only pallets (no windows), but it is even less value as you have to approach from the back end to allow for the stun to get you to another loop. The main strength of Nostromo and Toba is how easy it is to hide, because no pallets or windows provide value.

Whenever someone complains about camping, tunneling, slugging, or 3 gens... can you tell those people "This is STILL just complaining that killers are playing the game. Its literally the game"?

Until someone actually falls for Pebble. Then it'll be omgwtf overpowered and decried as 'UnCoUnTeRaBLe.

There's only two options for survivors for some people, either: survivors start out on hook already at match start, or survivors must be forced to stand afk in plain sight near gens (but without being able to touch those gens, oh no) until the killer has time to deal with then individually.

There is a difference between hiding, and excessively hiding. Just like there is a difference between facecamping and proxy camping. And just like there is a difference between defending generators, and aggressively defending a 3 gen the entire game.

Even with it being 4v1 I think their main complaint with tunneling at 5 gens is that unless the killer is as equally bad as the first survivor tunneled it's virtually impossible to complete all the gens.

The point is that at five gens the need to sweat isn't necessary really and if you can't loop like ayrun it's super unfun, but it is what efficiently wins games as long as it's based off of kills and not individual hooks. In a game that's pvp there's always gonna be an aspect thats not fun one side or the other, I mean the point of PVP is to beat the opponent everytime right. So I think it comes with the territory.

As far as survivor rules they don't have a lot to interact with outside of holding M1 on a gen and the fact that they aren't the power role. They don't have rules because the killer can control what the only objective they have (gens) from the beginning. Its not like breaking every three gen is inevitable, most smart killers load in and the first thing they do is find the 3gen setup some hard defend it others proxy defend it.

Poor decisions is a little bit of a logical fallacy. For instances just a few examples:

If they unhook Nancy and she uses her bt to bodyblock for the unhooker that's not tunneling.

If I hook Dwight beside a highly progressed gen he gets unhooked and immediately hops on that gen, not tunneling.

If I let your teammates get the safe unhook and they dip out on you instead of staying for chase and I circle the map and find you again not tunneling.

If someone is expecting the killer to just drop any of these scenarios then idk what to say it's a lost cause. It'd be like 99'ing the last Gen then since the killer is super close the whole team completely negates it to work on another gen with 0 progress and never comes back to that same gen because it's tunneling until the killer kicks it. Asinine, I know.