DbD's New Stealth Meta

Lowkey thought you were going to complain about Red Herring and Pebble. Which are both honestly stupid fun perks. It isn't easy to get a killer to chase a ghost, but it's so satisfying when you do.

Honestly, I'm surprised that this hasn't happened sooner. Especially since 3 of the top tier killers have powers that actively make default tracking harder.

Opposite extreme? Its the most common thing nowadays to play in this way, tunnel out a survivor at 5 gens, sooner if possible, If I could tunnel them out of the lobby I sure would do it. And running 4 regressions perks as well, so every killer plays the same way, why is it a problem when a survivor tries to play differently? Not gen rushing, not being toxic, etc, just playing stealthy. Just think it for a moment and tell me its not hypocrite to say that.

I would be more inclined to consider nerfs to stealth perks after UW gets its nerf and something happens to hard tunneling. In the meantime, stealth is the most effective counter to tunneling and needs to stay. Once these changes happen, stealth will probably fall out of the meta anyways, and it would be a shame to remove more player agency and force everyone to play the same way.

Additionally, your complaints about Iron Will and Lightweight seem less about the perks and stealth and more about shift W gameplay, which is a separate issue.

I have noticed an increase in the amount of team mates using Distortion, Iron Will, and Lightweight, but I can't say that it's made them play any worse than usual. I had a game yesterday where all 3 of my team mates died and I saw in postgame they all had Distortion. So I was the only one the killer could see all game (he left me alone after 2 hooking me, pretty sure that's why). I just had a game now where the killer 2 hooked everyone before going for kills and the only person to die before we popped the last gen had Distortion and Iron Will. The aforementioned killers were a Wesker and a Wraith. I do believe most killers are capable of working around these perks. At least in my experience. The team mates who are useless tend to bring perks like Left Behind or Self Care more than anything.

I love those survivors that bring a stealth builds and pair it up with the most neon flashy bright cosmetic in the store lmao priceless 🤣

It is only information, it does not make your chase easier, however made for this made your chases easier and made some tiles that are usually unsafe or mindgameable into a safer version.

That's the problem when BHVR try to balance maps. Some parts become so incredibly safe that these resources could last for 5 more games and others become dead zones right off the bat. It's why Rotten Fields and Torment Creek are the only Coldwinds I still like to play from time to time.

Rotten Fields has some parts that are a bit weaker but no "Hehehe, you like resources? Well, better make your way across the map towards your endless pallet supply." mentality and Torment Creek only has 1 gen in a consistent dead zone that you can play around.

It's not fun when the killer cannot get a hit because there are still 50 pallets left and it's not fun when the killer gets free hits because there are no resources either.

Thats nothing new. Those are pretty old tactics. Or does no one remember Ninja Claudettes with darkest Moonlight offerings?

Rancid Arbattoir is the only map I can think of that spawns too few pallets. All the other maps that were changed still spawn more than enough windows and pallets. I can't think of any other map that has been butchered.

Also, in my experience Nostromo Wreckage and Toba Landing also still spawn more than enough usable windows, that's for sure. They do also spawn a fair amount of weak windows, that's true, but there are enough good windows as well.

I have been playing a lot of DBD recently, and have not seen any map butchered in any way, except maybe for Rancid, admittedily, and even that map can be rng based. But saying that Rancid only spawns with 2-3 pallets is such an exaggeration as well.

I bet I can still do it.

It will be hard because of those garbage reworked maps, but I think I can still pull that off. I was a relatively good Blendette.

Yeah, i've been facing a lot more of stealth survivors recently, specially since the 6.1.0 patch. Now, after the MFT nerf, the amount of survivors running Sprint Burst, Distortion, Deja Vu + another perk has increased a lot too. They don't do any noise, pre-leave when hear the terror radious and do gens very fast with Deja Vu + Toolboxes. Its the most boring thing in the game but its fair.

Is this a issue? Although its very boring to face, i don't think its a problem. I'm changing my build to have at least one info perk, so i can have a chance to catch those little rats. Maybe that the reason they've implemented Ultimate Weapon (although i understand this perk needs some adjustments)

Stealth is really good in some cases

It can be such a giant time waste that it can make the killer lose the game

This isn’t a new strategy. The only difference is the perks being used. A long time ago, it was perks like spine chill and iron will. Then after distortion got super buffed, people changed to that. And there have always been many people that used voice comms to tell each other where the killer is, to make it easier to hide from the killer.

We have so many killer strategies that are considered “unhealthy”, that it’s about time that a survivor strategy be considered “unhealthy”, and excessive hiding should be nerfed.

I think it’s because of the complete meta shift and how most of the original survivor “go-to” perks have been gutted.

Look at it like this: back when the meta was DS, DH, BT, and either UB/Adrenaline, even weaker survivors had crutch perks to waste the killers time. What I mean by this is that survivors with little-to-no chase skills were able to still play aggressively with these perks, and even though they couldn’t loop, were still able to waste time. Remember when survivors used to flashlight click/fast vault to get your attention? Sure, it still happens but nowhere near as much as it did.

This is simply because you can’t be carried by perks alone now; skill and map/tile knowledge is a must if you want to be decent at chases/wasting killer time. Since the meta was gutted, a weak survivor is now far, far more vulnerable than they were back in those days.

Stealth is certainly becoming more popular as it’s both easier to waste the killers time without the pressure of chase, and equally, tunnelling is by far the new killer meta so survivors are trying to avoid being the chosen one. I think this isn’t helped by the fact that the two, so-called “anti-tunnelling” perks aren’t too great. DS is useless, and whilst OTR is good on paper, a lot of killers just eat the endurance hit early on so its secondary effects are pretty useless if you’re engaged in chase anyway.

To be clear I didn't say it spawns with 2-3 pallet in total. I said it spawns 2-3 pallets on the opposite side of shack (most of the time). My most common spawns are the Harvester (no pallet), the Jungle Gym in the corner's pallet (if it isn't an L-T wall), a tent pallet somewhere, and if you are lucky a circular hay pallet (as opposed to the long H hay pallet) on the opposite side of the Harvester from the Jungle Gym. So I guess that's more accurately 1-3 pallets. Also I don't know what is with my luck on that map, but I nearly always get a hill on that side of the map (as both Killer and Surv), which does nothing for Survivors other than hinder unhook attempts.

As far as Nostromo and Toba they mostly get the new Jungle Gyms, which are weak at best, or confusing and free Killer hits at worse. I think they often spawn pallets and windows on the same side of the loop, so that severely limits their usefulness, and leaves the opposite side as a complete deadzone mid loop. Even Nostromo's unique structures are basically a free hit for Killer. The secret room window is a free hit, the middle side window is a delayed hit (since they can't reach another loop or go back up to the window due to the stagger), the main pallet only prevents a hit with a stun same as both side pallets (so they only have value standing and faking a drop), and the window near the back gen is essentially a z-wall window. The small crashed ship has only one of those stun only pallets (no windows), but it is even less value as you have to approach from the back end to allow for the stun to get you to another loop. The main strength of Nostromo and Toba is how easy it is to hide, because no pallets or windows provide value.

Thats great!

This is still just the next thing to complain about because there isn't much to complain about right now. This is STILL just complaining that survivors are playing the game. This is STILL ridiculous.

It doesn't matter what is more beneficial... wow. Then tell the tunneling meta to knock it off. They won't, because its the most beneficial method. This stealth thing isn't a meta, OP just called it that. And even if it did become 'the way', its literally the game. Its literally the game.

Stop hiding survivors. Just line up or they'll go to the forums!

Edit: OP still hasnt responded to anything. We were def trolled and took the bait lol

Fair enough. You might be unlucky with the RNG on Rancid, but I do agree that map does spawn too few pallets on average.

As far as Nostromo and Toba goes, I just can't share those viewpoints. I do get that those maps spawn with some tiles that are weak, but I also always see enough tiles that survivors can work well with. I definitely wouldn't call all the main tiles of that map weak in any way, especially the jungle jyms, even if they do weirdly spawn the pallet and window on the same side. In fact, there is one tile unique to Nostromo that can spawn a pretty nasty window.

The pallet in the main building is also very strong in my experience, never once did I need a stun to get usage out of that pallet.

When it comes to safety, Toba and Nostromo are on the lower end of maps, but that is needed, considering how fast gens can still go. Survivors shouldn't be safe at a bunch of tiles where the killer is forced to break pallets and that's it. That's why maps like Badham Preschool are so problematic.

There is a difference between hiding, and excessively hiding. Just like there is a difference between facecamping and proxy camping. And just like there is a difference between defending generators, and aggressively defending a 3 gen the entire game.