Kindred. Should this perk become basekit for Survivors?

Yes, without killer's aura.

Oh yeah AFC bar also should be revealed to teammate survivors for better SoloQ experience.

OK and what exactly is the benefit for swf here? You are already able to give calls on survivor and killer positions without kindred... So how does it help swf?

There are too many annoying things in this game that are bound to perks that are just not easy to get for everyone making specific game elements more annoying than necessary, just having more basekit mechanics is a good thing in that sense because you become less reliant on certain perks.

I think there need to be certain changes for the basekit of both sides to make the game more enjoyable, I don't think they are only perks but different mechanics as well.

If a swf is not using comma besides them being able to decide who they play with, what is the difference between a swf not using coms and solos?

It is no information that is not already available to them if they decide to use comma, it does not give them much of a benefit, since they can already just use communication and make that callout... So I would not say it helps them much.

they already killed the perk by making the black bubble opaque anyway so it would be nice to see it being basekit

Even as a regular soloQ player, I am gonna say no, I would prefer not to have any part of Kindred being basekit, because it gives way more information than you think, and the Killers counter is proxy camping.

Having all other survivors auras globally up whenever a player is hooked is a LOT of information, especially if you combine it with the HUD. Players get hooked often in this game, and can be left up to nearly a whole minute to give the whole team of survivors a lot of value. Like if I said, l "How about a global info perk that gives me all survivor auras for 50% of the game?", I would hope you would tell me to get stuffed. However that is basically the proposition here.

As well as survivor locations, it tells you Gen positions and their progress by matching survivors to their gen. It tells you where players needing healing are. It even tells you where the Killer is. Seeing a player get chased while a player is hooked, or even just deducing their movement will tell you exactly where the killer is, and be perfect knowledge for you to know to go for the save yourself. This encourages killers to proxy camp, cause if they know all survivors can see where they are the moment a chase begins, they also know other survivors are coming for the save. There is no reason to commit to the fleeing survivor, cause another one is coming the moment you leave.

Also by adding this change, you kill a lot of info perks, cause their value is drastically diminished, or in some cases made almost completely pointless. Perks like: -

• Bond
• Empathy
• Blood Pact
• Aftercare
• Open Handed

There is no reason to run any of them, because Kindred will already give you a lot of information value... not to mention this also kills Kindred as well, as especially with the AFC, it'll basically do nothing worthwhile. Even the Killer's aura might not be shown to you cause of the bubble.

Basically it means survivor get a lot of info for free, and all of them can take more survival based perks, because their basekit Kindred info gives them most of what they need anyway.

A game that centres around builds needs trade offs. Your perks and Tools/add-ons alliw you to have builds with Survival, Gen Progress, Team Recovery, Information or Utility. You need to decide what concessions you're gonna make with your build. If you overload survivors with basekit information, you dumb down the choices survivors have to make for the requirementa of their build.

As a mostly solo player, I understand SWF advantage, but for most players, they aren't running the clock system to point out where they are, and what the killler is doing. I genuinely believe that having as much info as Kindred provides for free does not sound good or healthy for the game.

As many as needed to bring swf and solo closer together... So we have a group of players to balance around.

Except for the killer aura I do think it should start becoming basekit, definitely needs changes to balance it out but it would be a healthy addition since it more supports solo queue than it does swf with decent communication

I understand completely man, but it depends on your perspective of which way you want to slider to move. I personally consider playing SWF to be playing with an unfair advantage. It is long known that for most killers in this game outside of Blight and Nurse, that a dedicated team of organised players will comfortably beat the killer.

The standard model is SoloQ < Killer < SWF. This is why in competition there are limits on the numbers of certain perks, and other perks./add-ons are outright banned.... The point i want to get across here, is we are proposing to basically give survivors enough aura abilities to be as good as the comms in an organised SWF at basekit.

If that is what we're doing, why stop at the survivor aura? Why not just reveal the killer aura whenever any player can see him in their FOV? I realise that is an asinine argument, but you get my point. Giving survivors aura reading to the level of an advanced comms comp team is pretty darned imbalanced, wouldn't you say?

To share an anecdote, I get games with SoloQ players that are very good, and some of the best games I have had are good SoloQ teammates with no comms. Great immersion, lots of tension, huge exhilarating moments, where I myself and my teammates pull off something unbelivable to win the game. Whenever I'm in a SWF (which is a new recent thing for me), it is fun chatting to people, but the disparity of power is kinda boring. I tend to avoid taking really strong perks and add-ons, and instead play more memey and fun builds, and will not take powerful toolboxes to help me out, because otherwise it is just cheap and boring.

I do not want the power of SWF, because to me it destroys the tension of the game, it becomes purely mechanical. The uncertainty and immersion is what makes the game exciting. Frustrating as well sure, but you can't have the highs without the lows.

Thinking about Kindred specifically, unfortunately I do not get to decide what information I am given with this change. If I see the Killer chasing David on the HUD, and I can see David's aura, I know where the Killer is. If I see Nea on a 75% gen, and can see her aura crouched repairing, I know where that generator is. I don't get to not know this information.

So ultimately whatever immersion I have in DBD is completely killed by having this aura perk at base, by virtue of the fact I can that I can have all it's benefits without any of the trade offs. I take a full line of survival perks and never have to look at an info perk, cause the base info is as good as SWF comms.

Survivor aura reveal, sure

Killer aura reveal, hell no.

No

Just to correct a misconception there, I am on console. Unless they are on PS5 I cannot ask them as there is no lobby chat on console. Even if they are on PS5, it is extremely slow going typing that message on a person by person case, and unless I want to invite them all to a party chat, its a no go. So on PC, sure you can ask about perks, on console you can't.

This is also a reason why in game voice chat is not necessarily viable, because this game is cross platform, and each platform has its own voice chat system. PS5 has discord, but Xbox doesn't (unless I missed an update somewhere), and I'm darned sure Switch doesn't either.

I'm not being a jerk, but genuinely I don't understand this statement... I think what you mean is that by adding this feature soloQ and SWF are at the same level, I have choice of auras, or auras and listening to voice chat? My main issue with this is that I personally feel that having comms is an unfair advantage over the killer, especially stealth killers and killers lacking map mobility, so as such, I'm against bringing the whole survivor side up to the same level, and that is speaking as a soloQ survivor.

The killers unaffected are the ones like Spirit, Blight and Nurse that have really good map travesal and strong anti loop power, where the advantage of comms is greatly diminished, and by the same token the advantage of auras is greatly diminished. After all a Pig has to commit to chase far longer than your average Nurse or Blight, so against Pig you can read the Kindred aura of the survivor she is chasing and maneuver around her easily for an uncontested unhook. Against Blight and Nurse who can quickly come back to hook, doesn't care you can see where they are chasing, because they can get back to hook far quicker without losing a lot of momentum. Comms in short, disproportionately punishes weaker killers than stronger ones.

To be fair, a big reason I'm against this change is because I don't like SWFs either. I know I can't ask for SWFs to be removed from the game as it would massively downturn the games foot fall, but I also know there is no way to police comms... so that is a necessary evil I have to accept. However by bringing soloQ to the same level with quite a large basekit information buff creates the same imbalance vs. immobile and non anti-loop killers, and I don't belive this level of suvivor infomration should be the game standard, SWF or no.

So I will admit to a certain level of bias, but to my mind, the game would lose a lot fo interest for me if I have SWF level information while playing soloQ

I don't think it is unfair... You cannot expect people to play with their friends and then not be in voice chat and talk about the game... This is a given in basically every single game out there, but for some reason this community has major issues with it, even TCM has it, so we cannot even go for the "it is because it is asymmetrical" argument... For some reason dbd is always the exception, in the worst possible sense.

Sure you could argue that way but Nurse does not really have that great mobility, she is just really good at holding a certain area and her chase is great.

Yeah that is quite the issue, but you could easily negate it by not showing auras of survivors that are getting chased, but like I said before, this is not my preferred solution, I just deem it better than nothing...

I mean you can dislike it all you want, but this is just personal preference at that point... Not letting people be in voice with their friends while playing a coop game just seems weird to me, especially in a game that has so much downtime where nothing really interesting is happening... You sit on gens for minutes with basically not much to do... So why not talk to my friends? When I Play solo q I most of the time watch a stream on my 2nd monitor, unless it is a stealth killer, because the time I need to focus on the game is only a fracture of the whole duration the game lasts... And I'm pretty sure this affects the outcome in some form but so be it then, I m not putting my whole focus on pressing m1 and doing nothing else in that time...

There is no immersion after 2.5k hours and sitting on gens is the most boring part of the game, therefore talking to someone while doing it, be it in voice or with some friends on discord is the bare minimum to make this Boeing task worthwhile... You cannot tell me there is a single person that enjoys doing gens...

Survivors have gotten so many things for them lately, I think it should be, but I also think Corrupt should be basekit for killers in exchange.