Trickster buffs are very surprising
Honestly never expected them to buff this trickster by so much.
So firstly. They basically made the memento blades basekit. BUT they did not get rid of the memento blades. So this means with that add-on you can throw blade every 0.27? That's nearly 0.25 which is what it was on PTB. I find this very surprising because i was having a decent amount of success with the 7.4.1 trickster with the memento blades to the point where i feel like making it basekit and then reworking memento blades would have been what they would have done.
Main event throw rate multiplier seems alarming on paper but i'm not sure if this is a revert or what because when this new trickster came out the main event felt so much slower than before so i am not sure about this yet.
Increase main event duration i suppose makes sense without add-ons but the main event add-ons are really good already so im not sure about this.
The last one i also find surprising because i feel like 10 second laceration was the main way for survivors to counter trickster. Now that it's back to what it was before but he is still 4.6m/s and he still has add-ons to increase it to a maximum of 20. Yeah im shocked really.
It's too early for me to say this is too much i just wanted to express that i am surprised with how much they buffed them. Very excited to try these new changes out.
It's times like this where i will never understand why people think BHVR hates killers. Whenever they buff killers it seems pretty heavy handed with what i have seen.
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So who wants to tell them Trickster is actually worse now?
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Please, Explain how he is worse.
Compared to 7.3.2 to now 7.4.2.
Nerfs :
- Laceration increased to 8 from 6
- Terror radius increased to 32m from 24m
- Main Event duration decreased from 10 to 6
Buffs:
- Recoil Removed.
- Increased movement speed to 4.6m/s from 4.4m/s
- Ramp up of throw rate removed (0.33-0.25) movement speed decrease removed, throw rate is now static 0.3
- Main Event now triggers in 8 blades from 30
- Combo system increases main event duration by a minimum of 0.5 to a maximum of 3 seconds
- Main event add-ons got a lot of buffs, he arguably now has the best common add-on in the game with memento blades.
Worthy trade off in my opinion and i am probably missing some buffs too
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Just tried a bot match.
All i can say right now is main event throw rate is incredibly fast, he throws blades faster than i can say "1,2,1,2,1,2"
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I was already hate this killer so much, i am sure i will enjoy so much against him now. But if he is playable for people who likes him, that's fine.
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I might actually try him now. Haven't played him in a while, and the changes looked pretty bad.
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So the up to 8 blades from 6 is a very significant nerf when combined with the lower throw rate. It basically means unless the survivor is in a dead zone it's unlikely you'll get a health state through knives before the meter starts to decay which means it's even more knives to get a health state all while not giving Trickster a buff to his base knife supply.
In a perfect scenario Trickster is better but the reality is things rarely play out this way so all we really got is a buffed main event which is still on a timer to activate so it's do all this work to get to this buffed ability that you have to kinda just hope you're in position to use before you lose it while base Trickster is worse.
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His time to damage is still worse but now he gets in positioning better to more often use it so its still a bit in the air
Time to throw 8 knives.
Before Chapter ~1.8s
PTB 2s
Live V1, 2.66s
Live V2, 2.4s
Its still slower than anything he used to have but theres also the fact its 8 knives instead of 6 which means its more 1 chase reload than it used to be, its a lot of changes but most of them just amount to the same but different
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Trickster still has a major issue with main event, because it triggers on the same number of knives as a health state, which means the survivor gets a speed boost to find a place where Trickster can’t use main event…. Which means that Trickster will end up wasting a lot of main events.
There’s also the problem where his ammo capacity wasn’t adjust to account for the 6 to 8 knives per health state change, and using main event to conserve ammo is unreliable.
And Trickster’s best addon got completely removed from the game. I don’t think everyone realizes how powerful it was, to be able to expose a survivor just by hitting them with 4 knives. The replacement iri addon, involving haste, is absolutely trash garbage compared to the exposed iri.
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Trickster felt terrible to play after the rework. These buffs are actually rather reasonable and leave him in a pretty good spot now I think.
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Not many. Seems denial is the order of the day.
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I played against bots and while the changes make him feel better than the 7.4 update, he's still not good.
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His throw rate is basically the same as normal in main event from what I could tell. the only difference is you don't stop throwing and have no ammo to lose in that state. I will admit the ptb was a bit overtuned, but if I had to choose between old trickster (pre ptb) and what they've done to him. I'd go back in a heartbeat. I didn't even like old trickster, but the new version is just so much worse. He already had to hit you multiple times for a single health state, and was easily stopped by breaking line of sight. Now his maximum throw rate is reduced and he takes more knives to injure someone. Main event is slightly more common now, which is good I guess- but as I've stated it actually isn't all that much better than just throwing your knives excluding the lack of ammo.
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1.8s damage is assuming you hit all knives when recoil was in play. Recoil was random it's not like you could just counter it perfectly all the time.
Also 2.4s is not including the memento blades add-on is it not? Personally i think this add-on is must have because why would you not use it.
Amounting to the same but different, i can agree there but i just think the argument that others have presented that he is straight up worse is very unfair
You must have not played trickster in the past 2 hours. It's a 66% throw increase, sorry but how could anyone not notice that.
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7.4.0 trickster was very bad but 7.4.1 with memento blades felt acceptable. Haven't played this new version yet but it is not worse in any way from the past two versions.
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Been playing a few matches with him and i am having a blast. He feels so exciting to play. Got quite a lot of kills i think about 12/16 i've gotten the other 4 got out through the gates after doing the gens.
Thank you so much devs i am loving this. I've been playing over the bloodpoint cap because i am just having so much fun and i have never done that before.
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i am having blast with him as well.
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