New skullmerchant is even worse?

Correct. Old SM was better at it. However...

Current SM is still pretty much dead in the water. Boring mechanic, and they still pretty much patrol their chosen 3 gens from the start. One could argue any killer can do this.

But most don't. They tunnel instead. SM has an unhealthy mix of both. So keep going next, OP. Most do.

It's not worse true but SM is still so problematic and bad design. Even they fix 3-gen issue, her power is still so bad designed.

I didn’t see a single thread saying to give her a hinder effect with her drones, and I’m on here a lot.

I can’t take you SM defenders serious. In what world is she not that bad? If she’s not that bad, then why is she BY FAR the most universally hated and rejected killer in the history of DBD?

I never once saw anybody requesting that.

Or, maybe she has a broken and heavy kit that she can reap rewards from with the simple press of m2. Hindrance, broken, deep wound, info, haste, exhausted, etc.

Just watch the video. He explains it perfectly.

1 stack as in 1 survivor trapped? What are you not understanding? As if getting a survivor scanned is hard. Lmao

I hate when people DC, but in her case i can at least understand why.

She feels very similar to the old Legion. No real interactive play, no reactive play, no real counter. You just get hit and downed in the dumbest way possible.

There is no doubt in my mind that Skull Merchant needs another rework. I have enough faith in the Developers that they have already realised that.

Ok it’s very clear you’re not going to try and counter any of the points I’m making against her, but instead defend her with “well against the average survivor…. Drunk sloth….” Straw man this, straw man that.

Any player with a decent understanding of the game will understand why she’s an issue, and how her kit does way too much for so little input. I’ve played her and tested it myself. She’s by far the easiest - strongest killer in the game.

You're massively oversimplifying how SM works. You don't just press M2 and all that happens lmao that's ridiculous, like if we assume everything is happening as quickly as possible at base it takes 12 seconds before you get hindered but that obviously doesn't happen first you run away to a loop and then you have to actually get hit be the laser 4 times which presumably you make it to at least one other loop so more realistically it's gonna take 20-30 seconds before your hindered and that's if it happens quickly.

Compare this to Clown who...*checks notes*...throws a bottle and gets the hindered instantly. So I would say Clown can do it easier and more quickly, you don't have to be strategic it's just throwing them at the survivors feet. I mean you can throw them at tree branches to spread the gas out if you wanna be fancy but that's largely not needed most of the time.

Also the drones are disabled for 45 seconds which is a decently long time in DBD time. It's better for the Skull Merchant to recall the drones and reset them up which there goes your no maintenance claim.

The stealth lasts only 8 seconds and she again has to keep recalling the drones if you want that to last past the beginning of the game and that's nowhere near better than Ghost Face who just has it on command indefinitely until they attack or get broken out of it or Wraith who's nearly invisible. So no not the best stealth in the game. It's like Pig level stealth, you should know they're coming when the TR instantly goes away and be aware. Because they're 4.6m/s and at 8 seconds that allows her to cover 36.8 meters while undetectable so unless she measures the distance perfectly and makes a beeline straight towards you you should probably at least hear the TR for a moment before it disappears.

Also you do actually need to give some thought to drone placement because if you place it awkwardly in a loop it makes it easier for the survivor to avoid the lasers and it's a bit cumbersome to redo it mid-chase so this is again massive hyperbole on your part. I'm not saying it's difficult it's basically the same way you do Artist crows but you do have to do it right or you'll get punished for it by good survivors.

Wesker doesn't take that much mechanical skill lmao but that's a different topic, I'll just say if Wesker was actually hard to play they would not be anywhere near as popular as they are. It's just dashing in a straight line lol.

So on the topic of SM hinder vs Clown hinder, SM is 10% for 6 seconds and Clown is 15% for 2.5 seconds at base. Over that duration the survivor loses 4m against SM and loses 1.5m against Clown although keep in mind Clown can keep throwing bottles so at two bottles it's 3m against Clown but also SM gains a little more distance because of the speed boost so generally SM's hinder does seem better for the most part but that's fair considering it takes longer to apply and it doesn't seem dramatically better just better.

A lot of this just seems like mindless hate against a killer instead of breaking down the numbers and actually understanding how the mechanics work. Again SM does do a bit of everything but none of it is the strongest version of something in the game and it's funny you suggest I'm doing strawman arguments while doing such blatant misrepresentation of SM's kit. If I didn't know what SM did listening to you you'd think she got every status effect in the game off a single scan with drones that had a radius of half the map you couldn't do anything about.

I also should probably be clear I'm not a SM main, I play her casually when I want a break from my actual mains I just never got the derangement syndrome so many others did about her so I guess I'm just immune to all this. When I do play her she is free wins sometimes but not because she's broken but because half the time I play her someone DC's the second they hear my terror radius or sees a drone. Against good teams it varies sometimes it's not too difficult against others they just seamlessly chain loops together and the drones don't really matter, I wouldn't say SM is map dependent but on maps with loops that are close together that does help against her for sure especially if the survivors are good loopers. So yes playing against and with Skull Merchant I'd argue a lot of it is overblown and I think we're at the point where the community will accept nothing less than SM getting Freddy'd which is not what happened with the rework she's still solid B tier and the community hates it.

1. Okay? That's the counterplay for a decent number of killers? Should we rework all of them?
2. If you get hindered by SM you're already injured and broken, I actually have no idea what this is supposed to be saying. Skull Merchant also has to care about windows and solid objects lol.
3. She's actually not completely silent, her footsteps make a small amount of noise. You probably don't hear them without a headset so this is more of an accessibility issue similar to Spirit.
4. Do you think Artist and Hag require thought? Not talking in terms of macro gameplay just in terms of using the power in chase.
5. Wesker takes about as much mechanical skill as Demo who isn't terribly mechanically skill intensive. They're very average in terms of how hard they are mechanically you can probably be consistent with them after about 9-10 hours maybe less if you're used to similar killers. There's "techs" but you don't actually need to know any of them to be an average Wesker.
6. N/A
7. At the same time? No. Can she with the right add-ons? Sure but I already went through why that doesn't matter much and why Haste and Hinder are the only ones that really matter. I have no idea why this is such a big sticking point for people even the broken is bleh if you apply it in chase cuz it's gone after you down them so that's really only good if a survivor you're not chasing stumbles into a drone area and again as I said before that should not be happening against any good survivor lol. Like at the end of the day I think the root of what makes SM good is she presents a math problem survivors can't win against in terms of speed. Anything else isn't that relevant, the drones left unattended can be hacked, the stealth is fine but you arn't winning games cuz you get 8 seconds of stealth at a time if that was true Trail of Torment and Tinkerer would be a meta perks. The added status effects for the tenth time are largely trivial and either bad or happen in situations where they're less powerful. Really it's just that she's fast and can injure you without hitting you but so can Plague and Onryo can even kill you without ever hooking you and that's base kit for her. I'm just not seeing why Skull Merchant is this unbeatable force people are complaining about outside of people insta-quitting against her.

1. SM, Artist, Knight, Hag, Clown, Executioner I would say are all killers your best off holding W against. I'm just asking if you think they should all be reworked.
2. I mean I get that but I have no idea what that has to do with the hinder effect? You also have to get scanned 3 times before that happens. I will admit though as far as that goes I do think the lock on should have decay timer even if it's slow. I think the fact that it never decays kinda punishes people that are good at avoiding the drones for the most part.
3. Sure and there are people that think Spirit should be changed for similar reasons, I personally have no strong feelings here.
4. Hag isn't that different if you have double trap setting speed, they just have to leave the loop or they get hit. Fair on Artist, I have a friend who's a very good Artist player so I also don't think Artist is quite as bad people make her out to be either but I understand that takes a lot of practice to learn how to play against Artist and at least you're being logically consistent.
5. I mean I will never suggest SM takes high mechanical skill she's bottom 5 or even bottom 3 as far as that's concerned. As far as Wesker's hinder goes I think the annoying thing is you have to let Wesker know where you are if you want to get rid of it so there's no real outplaying it unless you can do it while he's hooking someone and that's frustrating when he already has a strong main power but that's probably a different conversation.
6. You keep repeating this and idk where it's going cuz like again it largely doesn't matter. There was a discussion going around quite some time ago where people were trying to figure out who could apply the most amount of statuses at the same time and it was killers like Wraith, Dredge, Nemesis and these are not exactly high tier killers. Just mass hitting survivors with status effects doesn't matter if they're not in the right context or attached to a strong main power.

Ye ye , why survivors are not giving up against Chucky and Xeno? Both killers are much stronger than SM. But yet, survivors are playing against those two.

Toxic baby survivahs are not learning, SM is just fine. Sure

So, you stand still in a chase. 200 IQ thanks for teaching us.

It makes me always wonder and crack up sometimes what people think about others here. Especially about people who are around since many years, have X thousends of hours and play in competetive matches. I mean, isnt that a little bit crinch? Like telling Christino Ronaldo how to kick a ball.

They don't. Not in my games at least.

I am playing Chucky from day one to today, he is my new main. And almost nobody is giving up against him. I don't play Xeno so much but i am seeing good enough in my survivor games. And nobody is giving against him as well.

But SM? Whenever i see her, i know it's just game over.