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The basekit BT, the AFC, the removal of unhooking grabs and now the "3 genning solution", whatever it is. All things that already had in game solutions. And people is already asking for an "anti slug" mechanic.

But a FoV slider? Unacceptable, that's too much. It's going to unbalance the whole game, even if the only difference would be that you won't need to use a perk slot to not suffer motion sickness. BHVR is killer sided and they prefer to ruin the game than never buff killers ever again. That's it.

The first three things all removes the same level of game sense: The need of making your build with those cases in mind, the need to know how to coordinate with your teammates to do saves (now only reserved to the EGC, where if done correctly it would almost always grant the save without the need of having thought that it could happen beforehand), and having the enough common sense of knowing that if a killer with an instadown is camping the hook it would require extra effort to go for a save, so you should decide if it is worth it or it is better to just do gens (funny enough, it appears that most people don't even have the enough game sense to know that now if you see the killer camping you should get out of there and let the AFC do it's job) among other things.

Now we will have to see what the anti 3 genning is about, but if it is something that prevent survivors getting punished for not putting some thought on what 3 gens are letting the killer have at the end, it would be another one to add to the list.

And don't get me wrong, most of those mechanics were implemented in a "fair" way (with some caveats, like I said with BT in the endgame) and I don't have any problem with them. Doesn't change the fact that they were game changing and made to cover for the lack of game sense of survivors, so it is funny to see survivors complaining that adding an accessibility feature along the 4º base mechanic to solve their gameplay problems for them is so unbalancing that is going to completely break the game.

In summary: "They not cover for survivors, they are needed features so survivors can get the best experience out of the game and have fun playing it", just as I said in the first post.

Anyway, again, I don't mind as long as they aren't abusable by survivors or an unearned advantage, so I don't have more to say about it. Just that again, is funny that BHVR is so killer sided for adding a FoV slider for killers after 4 base mechanics for survivors.

I think you didn't understand, what I'm saying is that just as I said in the first post, you are giving that "explanation" of why those base mechanics that covers for survivors "are needed", almost like it is what every person defending them says (or maybe I can see the future, who knows...).

Because they do cover for survivors, as already explained. If you want to call it "base game flaws" to justify the fact that the game cover for the lack of game sense and skill of survivors, you do you. If that was the case, they could have done a lot of other things that still required survivors to apply gameplay solutions while solving those "design flaws" in their more extreme form only, instead of applying general nerfs in form of base mechanics that cover for every situation and case so they don't even have to worry about it.

The only thing I would say is that you have the misconception that "game sense" only applies to have knowledge of the game. While in part is true, having game sense also implies that you would make the right calls at the right time with that knowledge, which also needs skill. For example, if you can't coordinate to do a save without a "3, 2, 1, GO!" in voicecomms is also having a lack of game sense.

Other than that, I already said what I had to say about the topic. I would only point out that your explanation of "they are needed" are not any proof that they doesn't cover for a lack of game sense either. For example, the fact that having to take in count the possibility of you getting tunneled or camped on hook while making your build could lead to "stale metas and an irritating stifle on player expression" doesn't change the fact that you don't need to even think about it now as the game cover those cases for you. So, you are free to contribute in the stale and irritating meta of having WoO + the 3 builds that everyone else use (a lot of player expression in survivor's builds, without doubt).

All changes to the game has been BHVR at the root. They always have final say ofc. But!

According to survivors, the genrush meta is in response to tunneling. There's no time to do anything else. Healing, regression perks, etc don't really matter when tunneling is rampant like this. But I'll assume you are correct, in which case gen times have nothing to do with anything. Everyone always has a 'If this was adjusted, things would be fine.' You've chosen increasing gen times. Others have suggested perk adjustments, not giving either side haste mechanics, etc etc.

Tweaks like everyone is suggesting won't fix an inherently bad game. Party game became popular and the player base wants it more balanced and competitive. BHVR isn't equipped to do either of these things. So here we are on the forums, blaming the other side lol. So Ill jump on.

Nuh uh! Genrush meta is direct result of Killer's tunneling and getting healing and such nerfed into pointlessness. :)

I would chime in here that you are under a misconception but I appreciate you stating your partial definition of it. Game sense is generally used for making decisions in a running game. It is a function of game knowledge, metagame knowledge, map awareness, pattern recognition & prediction of the opponent's actions which lead to a player adapting and coordinating accordingly or not.

You claimed earlier making a build requires game sense. It does not, for you can enter a game without a build at all or you could make a fun but actually terrible build. A build influences your possible actions. If your goals are to beat Nurse and Blight then you would build according to your game & metagame knowledge and a trickle of personal preference like map knowledge if you bring an offering.

Going for an unhook without BT in the pre-BasekitBT era while the killer is nearby is poor game sense. Having BT required because the killer is camping is hostile to players since it is such a basic interaction between the two factions that it forces you to bring a certain perk thus removing choice (keyword player agency). Thus the game is better for having basekitBT.

No amount of game sense will stop a killer from hitting a freshly unhooked survivor right then and there. No version of DS will help you if you are lying directly under a hook because you will be back on it before the skillcheck comes up. The only way to "outplay" this is to bring every single survivor to huddle up under the hook but that does not work against instadown killers, or on indoor maps (lack of space), or fullstack STBFL users who will cut down the entire squad, or when one survivor is already dead. The same applies to hookgrabs. Offering two downs for one unhook is no play but a throw in most cases. So, there you go. The extreme situations are what forced these changes and those were extremely easy to get into, easy to abuse and most importantly not fun. BHVR tried a perk-based solution with Reassurance, apparently was not good enough.

It should be clear but you argued against AFC anyway: No amount of game sense helped you against a facecamping Bubba. If he hooked and stared at you, you were expected to endure it for 2min. Whoever attempted the unhook threw the game. Exceptional fun for all parties involved.

The one thing that helps with game sense you did not even discuss: survivor HUD which is just a small version of what SWFs have.

Just because the game was allowed to be in a state with these things in it or rather without them does not mean it was more balanced, more fun or even okay... looking at Nurse and Blight. Nevermind the fact that killers got buffs as well.

Your roadmap is missing Nerf Chuckie

UW - definitely deserves nerf

The current killer FOV is an active inhibitor. I'm not speaking on the motion sickness side of it. The FOV is so narrow a survivor can almost run a complete circle around me and I can't see them. Or one can hide at my feet and unless I look down I can't see them. That's ridiculous. Even for DBD.

I welcome the FOV slider.

About "Decisive Strike" I thought it could have these changes:

-the stun lasts 5 seconds, however, killer can reduce the stun time with the "endurance" perk

-The perk would work in the end game

-The perk would not deactivate when performing actions, but it would deactivate when receiving grabs of any type

- The perk does not activate if an injured surv heals completely before being hooked into the match

The idea is to make the perk useful when the killer is just tunneling the surv and not to function as an extra cure as it usually is.

I would like there to be some changes that are not on the list, I'll give you an example:

-Buff on Spine chill: the perk is only valid when the killer sees you, it could alert the surv 

when the killer is looking at the surv through aura reading and killer instinct

-Killers couldn't see the hooks'regression bar or the survs' dying state: many killers wait until the last second to

put a surv on the hook, leaving it on the floor and looking at

bar to control this, which generates toxic plays

-Remove unhook cancel from survs:

There are survs that use unhook cancel to trap a hooked surv, preventing others from saving, in addition, by removing the

grab hooks by killers it no longer makes sense for this mechanic to exist

-Option to surrender when in the dying state when there are only two survivors alive: it is very common to see killers who leave one survivor in the dying state and look for the other to get 4 kills, to prevent the fallen survivor from waiting to end a  lost match , he could give up the match without being penalized, because a bot will replace him in this situation

-killers shouldn't know that there are bots in the match

-Buff on "Blood echo" perk: could activate when generators were completed, increasing the chance of affecting players injured during a chase