Survivor-Caused 3-Gens. No Big Deal Anymore?

In a 3 gen scenario, with a team of survivors that communicate, this is absolutely possible. You simple call out when the killer starts running to someone else, that person preruns really hard, meaning that they are probably running at 24-30 meters away. Do you know how long it takes a killer to catch up to a survivor that is 30 meters away to hit them? 44 seconds. And that is just for a single hit. Now to down them, its another 20 seconds if they just shift + w.

By the time the killer walks back to the gen that the other survivors are doing, that gen will be finished. And, if the killer abandons the chase, that survivor just calls out to the others that the killer dropped chase, and they get ready to run super early again, that injured survivor (if the killer actually injured them) just gets healed up, and they repeat until the killer can't regress the gens anymore and they slowly get the gens worked on until they are complete while being almost 100% safe.

You don't even need pallets or windows or anything.

Then factor in that these teams communicate super hard, and you are likely going to get 3 gens done for the first down. The killer stands 0 chance against these teams now if they want to drag the game out.

As for the AFC mechanic, it was pretty abusable at launch before they added the grace period on it, so now its a lot less abusable which is nice. However i have had a handful of matches where someone runs me to the survivor who is hooked in say, basement shack, i start mindgaming, but instead of running the tile, they just leave the tile to somewhere else, so while i'm mindgaming a survivor that isn't there the timer is ticking away. However this has been less of a problem due to the grace period and the better vertical detection on camping.

Lastly, Against these top tier teams, yeah MFT was not quite a buff, but it is still strong. When i face these coordinated teams, they typically run dead hard/DS/MFT/hyperfocus(or some healing perk) you know, all those dead perks that kept getting nerfed? I wonder why top teams continue to run them....

I’m worried about this too but we don’t know for sure how things are going to play out in game. The buff to kicks and no more gen-tapping should offset any problems. We just have to wait and see for PTB.

Look, i don't say this to be insulting, and please don't take it that way. But it is clear that you aren't going against teams like this and so likely you aren't at an MMR where it matters to you.

Losing 3 gens in the first chase is expected at high level. And it doesn't take a lot of resources to do it. Holding shift + w, not using pallets, windows, nothing, means that a killer who doesn't have a ranged attack, will take around 60 seconds to down a survivor and hook them. Now factor in that every forced pallet break adds 20 seconds to that time, and then if they run to comp corner you probably add another 5 seconds or so. All it takes if for a survivor to shift + w, run to shack pallet, predrop it, and then run to comp corner, get downed, then enough time went by that the other 3 survivors finished 3 gens.

Now granted, this is playing against optimal teams that actually do gens. Aren't playing immersed claudette hiding in a corner, or working challenges, or doing totems for no reason etc.

I know that you are going to say "this is rare" etc. But not, its not, not at my MMR, its pretty much 25-50% of my games that are like this. This is why 3 genning is so important to the core game, because the game is designed in such a way that the killer is basically a wet noodle in the beginning of the game. That is of course unless they are playing nurse or blight. But i'm not talking about those killers, i'm talking about the other 95% of the killers in the game.

We just kicked a gen 8 times on last gen and it never kicked in also we could tap the gen.

If so many games at high level are dependent on viciously defending a 3 gen for 30 minutes while not scoring any hooks or kills, that suggests that there are far greater problems at high MMR.

Maybe this will highlight those problems.

Sabo SWF squad says hi.

We tend to see slugs at that point

You can't reasonably expect to recover from multiple saves.

That is critical levels of error.

Devil's advocate - do survivors who escape through hatch deserve the win? Do killers who got their teeth kicked in deserve to win thanks to noed? The game has too many variables for the game to declare who "deserves" to win. He's simply saying a downed survivor does not mean it's going to be a hook. Heck, if you down 3 people, you can usually only hook one of them by the time the other two get picked back up unless you really luck out with them going down at a hook.

I’m an ok killer (main Dredge and Singularity) and I’ve never been hit with BGP either. Lol.

Well, for starters I have good game sense. I usually face objects when I’m picking up and survivors are abound. Because I can hear or see them following me for the save.

I don't want to be disrespectful but I disagree, with a good game sense you can guess whether there is someone waiting to flashlight save or not

As a huntress main this is a dream come true I can literally always practice orbitals now without being able to gen tap it makes them a sitting duck.

If one can't kill all survivors before kicking a gen 8 times then you lost way before the 3 gen occured. If you have all survivors alive with 2 gens left as killer your behind already, fail to kill someone before the last Gen is up and you've all but lost unless the survivor are throwing or trash.

I think my killer brethren are in fact overreacting. 8 regression events is a lot to be honest and im glad that they made it that. They could've made it turn on when 3 gens are left and made it 4 regression events. Some battles aren't worth the fight because the outcome of the victory could become worse.

Quite the contrary, those of higher mmr mostly is there by choice. After having p100s constantly with survivors using every trick in the book, techs and all, the games are a complete stressful situation where playing nice means you lose. I prefer to be a nice killer, so I typically allow 1 person to escape (sometimes 2). They appreciate it, and my mmr drops a bit. Constant onslaught of p100 squads start to go down, and BGP becomes less and less prevalent. Eventually you settle into a nice spot and you can still play to win, but also be a bit nicer and not tunnel, leave hooks entirely, and so on. Now, they do have some protection that keeps you from dropping too low, but it'll at least drop you into a high mmr but out of the highest ranges.

When you have common p100s who use every trick in the book, have every angle memorized, you're occasionally seeing streamers like otz, and peopes profiles are showing 5000+ hours played, it isn't unreasonable to assume you're at a high MMR (not to mention until recently reaching max mmr was not that difficult). It's just...less fun there, and survivors are certainly the power role. Dropping down to a lower mmr is a thing. For all I know that's exactly what you did. I'm not stating your skill level, I'm just stating that in the hands of average survivors, BGP isn't a big deal and you certainly won't see them often outside of high mmr. It is an incredibly deadly tool that has very little counter for someone with a lot of experience. It's broke and a problem at high mmr, but BHVR doesn't want to balance the game around high mmr - presumably because it would destroy low mmr brackets where killers already have a big advantage and distrupt the average mmr bracket where it's mostly balanced.

I refuse to believe any competent killer is damaging a single gen 8 times or more in a game, even on the lack luster killer's all your doing is bleeding your own time to make a potential play at that point.

• Fail to find survivors at the same 3 Gens for 24 times.
• Fail to get a hook without getting flashlight/pallet save at the same 3 Gens for 24 times.

I dont know how such that much mistake and killers still think their skill is high MMR and deserved to win. While thinking survivors making 3 Gens themselves should be an auto lose.

Kicking the same Gen for 8 times proof you failed to find survivor, or refuse to chase. You only want to make 3 Gens kicking loops that survivors never have a chance to finish the last one until there is a hook/kill.