Is the upcoming hex ruin change going to make it viable?

ye the Perk would need to be at least 125% regression

The strength of the perk isnt about regression, its about you dont spend 20sec to walk across the map to kick an abandoned with progressing Gen, then going back to find a chase.

Its about a survivor spend 14sec to cleanse.

Its about a survivor would prefer to get rid it first and spend a bunch of time to find.

The result isnt consistence, that's why people dont like it. PGTW requires you to spend time to walk and kick a Gen, all that time could end another chase. Or survivors could healing next to Deadlock Gen. But they cant do anything by actively running around and cleansing.

The buff on Ruin is already enough, its the totem spawn that should be buffed. Fixed locations (like shack, under Swamp rocks...) should go.

I think it might deserve about 150% regression speed to be decent. Though I'm not of the opinion that regression absolutely needs to be meta like so many in this community. I'd prefer all slowdown nerfed to be around mid-tier, and killers can get more basekit slowdown to compensate. I think that would help build variety a lot.

It's definitely worth trying. It doesn't proc the 8 regression limit, still works with any non kick regression, you only have to chase people off the gen for regression to start (assuming we read everything correctly).

The only thing is that it's tied to a totem, which leaves it to RNG if it's broken in the first 30 seconds.

Edit: typing on the phone is hard asleep and didn't read everything correctly

It's not 5% to make progress, it's 5% to stop regression. You're not seeing the bar stand still for a few seconds, it's that if you get off it too soon, it'll start regressing again.

Since ruin already does that... the 5% thing isn't really gonna change anything with ruin.

I have literally ignored ruin and even healed next to a ruined gen and the amount of progress that I lost on the gen felt less than if hit by surge, ifk man ruin is just a meme perk you can 100% just not clease it and if you are not facing blight/nurse , then you are ok.

I don't think people want regression to be meta. But in the current state of the game, they feel stacked regression is a necessity, otherwise the trial would end before they even had a chance to do anything.

If given the chance to return to a meta that lacked four slowdown perks stacked, I am sure many would take it.

Frankly it won't make it viable, ruin isn't bad but its not great and this change doesn't really make it better unless you decide to use it while tunneling.

First of all, 100% ruin regression is so bad most survivors tend to ignore it anyway and only cleanse it if they run into it. Remember the old old ruin? The one with the skill checks? That grinded the game to a complete halt as every survivor ran around looking for the totem. Or what happens when devour kicks in? Same kind of deal. But the current ruin isn't worth the perk slot. It wouldn't even be worth the perk slot if it wasn't a hex.

Secondly, you start talking about PGTW which also isn't a good regression perk anymore. The "average" gen you kick is going to be between 50-100% done. Which means that you are only knocking off ~20 seconds of progress, which doesn't factor in the time it took to walk there etc., whereas with say pain res you get not only a guaranteed 22.5 seconds off the gen, but it is always the gen with most progress, the one you want to be regressing anyway. It also gives you a clue on which gen it is, and if someone is working on it if you pay attention.

Thirdly, if you are spending 20 seconds to walk across the map to kick a gen, you are doing it wrong. Gen kicking is never worth it unless you have perks to do so. And even then its really only Nowhere to Hide around a gen you suspect survivors to actually be around. And it isn't about the regression, but more about finding them.

Passive regression is bad because passive regression happens at 1/4th the speed of survivors working on gens. Burst regression or gen blocking has always been king for a reason.

You have to think about how much value you get out of pain res vs a ruin. Pain res is basically an extra gen the survivors have to repair. In order for ruin to that level, assuming you have 1 survivor running around looking for the totem and taking 60 seconds to find it and cleanse it (average for searching half the map) you still would need to have survivors not be working gens for a full 120 seconds for you to get the same full value of pain res. And if survivors completely ignore the totem? You need to keep survivors off of gens for 360 seconds. Yeah maybe you can regress multiple at once, but not as often as you'd like. You'll never reach the same value of ruin as you can pain res.

This same value is also why deadlock and corrupt are actually the best gen defense perks. Deadlock blocks gens for a total of 120 seconds and corrupt forces survivors to basically start a chase with you to start working a gen (they have to walk toward you) or they try and wait it out, in which case you have time to find them, setup, plan, etc. Gaining even more time.

With these regression changes though, and the new 5% kick, here is what i expect the new meta to be.

• Corrupt
• Deadlock
• Grim Embrace
• Nowhere to Hide (assuming they nerf the grim embrace/dead man's switch interaction)

You get passive slowdown with 0 input from you by using corrupt and deadlock. Grim embrace is free if you at least don't hard tunnel and nowhere to hide means you can kick a gen, see if someone is near it, and if not, know you'll get some regression on it and can go somewhere else.

And if they dont nerf GE and DMS interaction then you slap on DMS too and you get tons of passive gen defense.

To this day, it remains one of my favorite killer perks ever designed.

Keep in mind that's the old Overcharge though, it's not as good now as it was in that video.

But yeah, Ruin sucks and the upcoming buff won't change that.

It's a decent QoL buff. You can use it in a full hex build and it's decent but I feel like the meta is about to be about delay and not regression. Corrupt/Grim Embrace/DMS/Thrilling gonna be nasty.

It deactivating after a kill was not its problem. The fact that it's a Hex perk (it can get cleansed, survivors can even spawn on it) and the regression rate is 100% (so 1/4 of survivor repair speed). Those 2 are much bigger problems.

Hmmmm...

Not really as it have the same issue ever since it came out: Hex spawns next to a gen, out in the open, or any open area.

Otherwise, the other problem is that survivors goes "oh it's ruin," and just work on a gen regardless.