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Hillbilly, Sadako and the concerns for a potential Freddy change
So, the January 2024 Developer Update has dropped today, and with it came changes to Hillbilly and Sadako which were not included on the PTB.
And long story short? While Hillbilly was done extremely right, Sadako was done extremely wrong.
Even before the PTB was available I was already pretty happy with the direction they wanted to go with Sadako. You can read more about that here, if you want to:
And the PTB gave me a lot of hope, because reverting a killer back to their old power while improving it in important aspects is EXACTLY what should be done to Freddy. It is even what I, and several other players, have suggested for him.
But for some reason Sadako is getting nerfed, even when her mains were pretty happy with her state during the PTB. And I don't understand why this happened, especially when there were several pieces of feedback available, none of which demanding a nerf.
This wasn't supposed to happen. Both Hillbilly mains and Onryo mains were happy and things should have stayed that way.
However, the topic of this thread is that Freddy is set for a change, probably around the later half of this year. And if the Sadako's nerf doesn't get reverted before the update drops I'll be concerned for Freddy.
When Freddy's turn comes, look at Sadako when making the change. But look at Hillbilly when sending it to live.
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Another Freddy rework? XD I keep searching for reasons to start playing again and they're never going to materialize.
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I agree. It is astonishing that they actually nerfed Sadako.
STBFL nerf, Ruin and Quick Gambit still being garbage, and no buff for Alan Wake perks.
This developer update would be one of the worst ever if they also nerfed Hillbilly.
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It is a rework to fix his awful rework. We can call it a dework.
I sincerely don't understand why Onryo was nerfed. This is as unnecessary as Freddy being nerfed a week after his release or Overheat's existence.
There was a lot of feedback regarding Sadako, there was even a pinned post about it. This nerf shouldn't have happened.
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tbf, I get the locking of the condemned meter getting nerfed.
knife fingers crossed for freddy.
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You still hope for good rework when they continue to violate Sadako like that?
I'm very much sure this new Billy change will receive it's treatment in a month or two. It's a classic scenario where killer gets some popularity after rework or buff and then gets nerfed to C- tier and is only played by hardcore fans in the scummiest way possible,
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I'm doing all that I can, my friend <3
Knife fingers crossed for him.
I know the situation doesn't look good, but it has been over four years since my favorite killer just ceased to exist.
I have to try, I have to insist on this matter whenever I can.
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Sometimes it's best to keep things as is.
I'm very certain whatever they can come up with Freddy will only make him worse. The best they can do is buff the existing one.
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Taking the words out of my mouth here.
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There a chance Freddy will be reverted and hope his addons as well back to the og.
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So we just want slugging back?
- Tapes are at their weakest state ever.
- Projection has a heavy nerf.
- All her very strong addons are not there anymore.
The lock on needed to stay strong as an incetive to hook at all.
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Well said my friend, I stand by you!
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The interesting thing is that they actually nerfed the Greased Throttle and Thompson Mix because this is how it worked on the PTB. They only toned down the numbers and added the bugged extra as an intended effect. Not sure how I feel about this but I get the feeling, that this is not good. Because this is a number that shouldn't be tempered with. Not now after they already buffed his base recovery.
The other addons are still not good. They need new effects. Changing their numbers will not do the trick.
But Sadako is where I draw the line. These changes remind me of Forever Freddy's downfall. Only Sadako wasn't that strong to begin with. She was in a good spot on the PTB. But this just terrible. They did not discourage condemned tunneling. In fact, that is pretty much untouched. Although, why tunnel, when slugging is more effective? I don't have the words to describe my disappointment.
These are dark times, when Sadako is nerfed but Blight gets to keep some busted addons. Now I'm worried for Freddy.
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some crafty Onryō players discovered that they could intentionally teleport to the wrong TVs first in order to spread more than one stack of Condemned to Survivors near/heading towards a powered one. Clever!
They see players using a power in a smart, unanticipated way, call it “clever,” and then immediately nerf it out of existence.
Incredible. Screw trying to do anything smart or novel or unexpected, you are not allowed to play in any way except the narrowly defined preapproved manner!
Unbelievable.
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General, I am concerned about my boy Mikey, too.
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Not in his case. Not after four years of a dull, boring and uninteresting power.
The right thing can be done for Freddy, I know it can.
The mere thought makes me happy, my friend. It is what we need, what I've been hoping for since July of 2019.
I think these changes are eerily similar to Overheat being introduced to the game or Freddy getting a full rework: all things that shouldn't have happened.
I am trying to make my thoughts clear on this matter, my friend, but I am not sure how effective it will be. There was a lot of feedback for Sadako on the PTB, but it didn't seem to matter.
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It‘s just stupid, that Sadako is weaker than her first version with those changes. I‘ve waited for them to announce to remove the Tv auras for survivors (except of the targeted one).
If this change goes live, I doubt you want a Fredy rework like that Sadako one.
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Oh... I didn't know Myers was also set for a change.
These are dangerous waters, you are right to be concerned. All of us are.
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Mikey is so cool right now. They shouldn‘t remove or change anything from him. Instead they should give him more in his kit, so people don‘t have only tombstone and infinite tier 3.
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Yeah they told us this back in September on their Twitter Q&A. I have been cautiously optimistic about it, but I feel like for every good killer change they make they kill our faith with like five bad changes to others.
I agree. The basic premise of Michael is great. They captured the feel of the character from the movies. They just need to buff his existing kit rather than rework it.
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It didnt matter AGAIN.
This time it feels especially insulting because i have a badge on my profile, that specificly states, that they read the feedback.
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There was a lot of feedback for Sadako on the PTB, but it didn't seem to matter.
This is what really has me worried here. They made a pinned thread for that feedback and they had a lot to work with. But then they came up with this! It's shameful. Had they made no changes at all, it would be one thing. But nerfing her? This is concerning.
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And to think things were going so well! It was a massive jump in the right direction, everyone was so excited when the PTB was announced...
There is still enough time to fix things, of course, but this is a terrible situation.
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Yeah ive read a lot of your posts and i felt you were very inspiring as well as other onryo players for bringing back the old but great sadako that could have been justice. Its very sad to see how this ended up. I hope they go back on this with what they said in the update and the immedate backlash. But all i can say is my hopes and strength is on your side. As well as others ive seen. Wish we had more like you when other killers fell. I hope you win this in the end.
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Original Freddy (with some tweaks) needs to return. As does the PTB rendition of Onryō.
They've done us so wrong here and I'm actually devastated.
I genuinely had the 30th marked in my calendar as the day the Alan Wake chapter and Onryō rework drops. Now I don't have any desire to play.🤷
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Thank you friend. This warms my heart.
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That is why I say the word "rework" is like a bad omen around here, with Freddy and Hillbilly being the most infamous examples of what shouldn't be done to a character.
Now, in the same patch they finally fix Billy, they hurt Sadako in the process.
Yes, that makes the situation even worse. The developers are aware of the praise Old Freddy receives, but it has to be taken into consideration. Feedback is useless if it isn't acknowledged.
This^^^^
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I completely agree, my friend.
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If I had to choose which killer to nerf from that PTB (Sadako or Billy) it would of 100% been Billy. He was actually insane and I can already tell he's going to be complained about when he reaches live.
Might not be immediately, but I dont see him being the golden child for too long
Now, does that mean I think hes overpowered? No as I havent played enough of him and PTB has MMR all over the place, even moreso than usual. But from what I can see he might be a little overtuned.
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Honestly, Hillbilly felt fine to me during the PTB. Playing against him again was nice, even nostalgic.
It is mostly Onryo I'm concerned about. Especially the implications this situation has for further killer changes.
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Yeah Sadako's changes in the dev update make absolutely 0 sense. They say its to discourage tunneling but it doesnt do that at all. All it does is hurt her ability to slowdown the game
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Idk people just seem to enjoy how back and forth billy is. And maps are a big point to his value. He cant even play on maps like red forest and campbells like he could back then. Much more clutter over the years. People just seem to enjoy playing and facing him. Im glad to see him finally again. And i will probably enjoy him to face and to play infinitely more than the massacre that was overheat.
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im also starting to worry for freddy a little.
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I sincerely hope this post helps a bit. This is a matter that means a lot to us.
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I feel so bad right now friend. I think ill play a bit stbfl only Piggy to calm my nerves and distract myself. If this doesnt help, im gonna go to bed early today.
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Good luck on your trials, my friend. Hope they help a bit.
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Idk, Billy really wasnt as universally loved prior to his rework as most people like to claim. He was seen very similarly to current Blight.
He was really fun to play on PTB dont get me wrong, but he really doesnt give Survivors a break in chase.
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The thing that's bizarre to me is if you look at all the Onryõ feedback, a lot of people were asking for buffs, not nerfs. There were a few outliers asking for nerfs, but a greater number were asking for buffs.
I personally felt she would be fine with this rework, any changes that would be needed would be minimal... slight tweaks here and there: -
- The green condemn add on toning down a bit.
- Condemn across different floors toning down a little bit.
- The inserting of tapes slowed down back to 2s
- The visual indicator of powered TVs affecting you could be argued either way...
Several content creators all said she was decently strong with a couple of viable builds, a few like Otz even said she was kinda low tier again... with this mix of opinions she was not far off perfect for what I could see...
I know BHVR aren't stupid, but I really want to know who it was they were listening to in order to come to these nerfs as a conclusion, because nothing I've read or seen even remotely hinted this level of gutting was required.
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Ok, so Peanits just posted this comment:
We're still going to have to wait and see how things will change, but this is good. Perhaps the patch is still going to be a step in the right direction for both Onryo and Hillbilly.
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Soon piggy will be hanged like Sadako and Fredy!
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I have no hopes for this. He didn‘t say they undo the changes. Now they will do unnecessary changes like with trickster, that nobody wanted!
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Unfortunately, it is a possibility. It is good that they realized that no one wanted those changes, but now there is the matter of actually fixing her.
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Anything that keeps his reworked power in the game will make him worse, because it doesn't fix the issue of Freddy being dull and uninteresting.
That is what should be avoided, my friend.
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I don't think I would quit the game, not if I didn't quit back in July of 2019, but it would be devastating and I'd be heartbroken. I really miss my favorite killer, and I want him to be fun and unique again.
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That I wish me for Sadako too, but we will see.
Hopefully Fredy comes back.
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Then im gonna quit playing. Simple as that. The game will hold no interest for me anymore and i will go to the next piece of media that deserves my attention. It would truly be a shame though.
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Wait and see i guess. There is nothing left for us to do now. Its up to them to do the right thing. We cant do much more than suggest and make our voices heard loud and clear.
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I don't think they will nerf Pig, not again.
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I sincerely hope so. I put around 2200h into her and enjoyed every second of that time over the last several years. It would truly be a shame if anything bad happened her.
This together with Sadako right now would make me quit the game.
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If memory serves me right, Pig's most severe nerfs were the ones aimed at her end game potential, around the time EGC was added to the game.
Her tweaks later this year will probably be something like "screaming no longer interrupts your progress on Jigsaw Boxes".
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