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Give me a Reason or stop the Legion hate
Ok so I haven't been able to play dbd hardcore for about 2 weeks because of Legion hate. I spend about 3 straight days off grinding Legion perks and feeling pretty good. I made some fun builds and had a philosoply of hooking everyone, slowing the game down and maybe getting a sacrifice or 2. Even without a sacrifice with BBQ and such I was able to consistently get BP and usually pip. I thought I had mastered the game.
I had a made a playstyle that tried to follow all the survivor rules about not camping and even not tunnelling. I had read post about how pipping and blood points worked and my games both me and survivors were consistently getting lots of blood points and probably pipping due to both getting gains from chases and saves etc.
Well I was still getting end match grief for playing Legion and then when I went to share my joy of finding a perfect spec for me from Streamer son Twitch I found that they ALL every single one of them hate Legion and anyone playing Legion. I even played a Legion game with Blood Hound for the first time (did a little moonwalking head down chasing and beat a group of pretty good swf, but that actually just made me feel like a jerk.)
So I decided to put Legion on the bench, cus I really do like to please people (not going to change, so don't tell me to toughen up). And I really do suck at this game, sure I could put in another 1000 hrs and be a little better at mind games and such, but at this point its pretty painful. I have consistently sucked at Clown, Billy, Bubba, Dr, Hag etc. Granted I got up to rank 5 with Legion and the higher quality of survivor has been part of the problem.
My last game I finally started to feel good with Bubba, I was downing survivors, got 3 separate ones hooked and four total hooks. I got lots of chases and 3 chainsaw downs. Sure not much but it wasn't completely terrible, then when I only got 3 pip points for the match I lost it (and went and typed this). Seriously dipped by that much even at rank 13 after regression. I feel I'm done, I want to enjoy this game, but its very hard right now. Granted my reflexes aren't that awesome and I'm not hardcore grinding out games for the last 2 weeks. I have a little over 400 hrs in and was really enjoying this game till this.....
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400 hours is just below that area where you would really be getting a deep understanding of the game. Keep at it, learn something from every match. aside from that the most important thing for any player is to have good perks/ addons, so you may be better off focusing on one character, getting them to p3 with all perks unlocked
People hate the legion because if they are played right, there is no counterplay to them. same with bubba, if the survivors can't genrush and get to jungle gyms fast, there's no counterplay. the older killers like trapper, wraith, and hillbilly are usually better to start off with, because it is easier to do well with them without mastering their powers, where other killers rely more on their power that have steeper skill slopes (huntress, nurse, spirit) or low skill ceilings (Bubba)
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Legion is fine, its survivors that just don't like to adapt. I personally find playing against legion fun because of the mindgames and decisions you have to make fast like where to mend for example. Once you play him a lot he is very easy to counter, unlike nurse. Shame he is literally useless once gates are opened tho.
Edit: Leatherface is easier to pick up than Billy but when it comes to mastering Billy is easier to reach his ceiling, at least that was the case for me.
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Umm, What? Excuse me, What?
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@thekiller490490 what part is unclear for you?
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The part where you said legion is fun to play against. How? I can't have an interesting chase with them because they HAVE NO COUNTER!
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@thekiller490490 Then you are clearly not utylizing windows and pallets correctly. Whenever he vaults he seems almost nothing, exploit this. Pallet stun gets rid of his frenzy, so does hitting you again with this, exploit this too. He sees no scratchmarks, remember ? They do not appear once he is out of frenzy, they simply don't generate as long as he is frenzied. Bloodhound bypasses this but no legion really uses it to my surprise.
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I like Legion on both sides. They're fun to play as and against. The thing is, survivors are entitled and think that they deserve to escape every killer if they are skilled enough. They don't like that there is a killer that is inescapable 1v1. Legion ignores all survivor defenses and skill and chases consistantly last around 30 seconds.
The counterplay to Legion is your team. Legion dominates 1v1, but gets crushed 4v1. Honestly just ignore the Legion hate unless they have very specific and well thought out arguments as to why. You can't please everyone. That's an important life lesson.
I just tell survivors "learn to split up and use your time efficiently" if they complain about my tracking their blood with Legion. It takes longer to down survivors that way than just hitting them. They need to learn to adapt. Not your fault.
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Well I agree mostly with @TheHourMan but its quite easy to waste much more than 30 seconds of his time. Also remember guys, doing gens together gives you 3k points but doing them alone is way faster. Proove thyself only evens it up, its not faster unless it is the last gen!
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So, the legion need to suck at tracking in order for me to get away? You don't get that a good legion won't loose you. ( what is your rank? You don't have to share, but I would like to get a general idea of what your experience is.)
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@HazeHound Answer this for me. Is Legion's existence healthy for DBD?
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Yeah, about that 30 second chase, the most boring 30 seconds I have ever had in DBD. (BTW, Gen rush isn't a counter, it's just a broken part of the game)
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Im red ranks on both sides on 2 accounts monthly. I may not be the best but I play a lot :P. Why is Legion unhealthy for the game? Its like saying you can't stealth the doctor. Newsflash: you can and urban evasion is literally the best perk against him. How you bully Freddy? Altruism. Myers? Spread and do gens. Huntress and Nurse? Stealth. Well you can stealth literally every killer (with m&a Legion beeing exception i can agree on this one) but those 2 are especially vulnerable to this. Every killer needs different aproach, if you fail to adapt you do not deserve to survive the trial.
Edit: Stop with the entitlement and remember it is supposed to be horror game. Surviving a horror should feel like achievement. Surviving in DbD doesnt feel like it, its easy unless you play against someone like TheEntityLeftHand.
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I know you didn't ask me, but I don't think it's UNhealthy. People just need to get over the chase. Something that is definitely unhealthy for DbD is that the chase is the meta and everything else gets ignored. The devs are trying to pull the game away from the chase a little.
You can not counter Legion *during the chase* and I think that is what most people who dislike them have a problem with. But answer this: should the chase be the whole experience of DbD? Is it ok to have a killer that can't lose a chase, even if they are incredibly weak outside of the chase?
Legion's counter is "don't get involved in chases." Stealth. Gen rushing. Splitting up. These may not be "fun" counters in your opinion, but they are counters nonetheless.
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The problem is that the chase is meta, but it's where the fun is. You Vs the killer. Fight! With killers like the nurse the chase is still fun!
Legion ruins the fun. The chase will stay the meta. (Part of the ranking system is based on the chase)
This argument is unwinnable.
Good luck with your games. Legion isn't healthy for DBDs current meta, and they need changes.
Edit. For your title, legion won't ever not get hate. They are poorly designed and rushed. Did you notice that Legion's power is the opposite of Spirit's? Also what entitlement did I say again? Entitlement to have fun in a game?
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Something beeing meta is weak argument you know xD. I agree that good chase is often fun, but surviving a horror experience isn't and even shouldn't be arround running circles.
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I set up a little post asking my question. Let's see what the community thinks of this.
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I personally hate chases. The most fun for me is when a killer ALMOST sees me then moves on. And I (as well as many others back in the Clown and Spirit releases) have complained a lot about the chase being the only thing that matters in DbD. There should be more to it than that. There should be killers that are foolish to get into a chase with. And there should be more of a reward for being sneaky, altruistic, or a totem buster.
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Sorry, but Legion equals suicide. I don't play much survivor, and I'm not about to spend the little bit I do play against a killer so poorly designed he is a tunnelers dream. Holding M1 is what is boring about survivor, so here's Legion, who will make you hold M1 almost twice as much! Or, he will tunnel you down and there is little you can do about it. Sloppy, plus blood hound equals easy moonwalk exploit.
I suicide the minute I'm caught. And I don't run him. I tried him for a while, but I found him to be very bland, and without decent counters for most survivors. I'd rather be forced to play only Freddy with no perks.
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That's not tunneling. Tunneling is when you repeatedly down the same survivor over and over again until they die, ignoring all other survivors and generators in the process.
A tunneler's dream would be leatherface.
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"The part where you said legion is fun to play against. How? I can't have an interesting chase with them because they HAVE NO COUNTER!"
Why did i have the feeling that your definition of an "interesting chase" is the one that is cancerous for killer players.
INB4: "WhAt ArE wE SuPpOsED To dO ? RuN iN a StRaiGht LInE ? "
Or to sum it up, because pictures are more clear than words :
PS: Looping is cancer, cheesy. It even LOOK exploitive.
Only peoples like this picture up there wouyld appreciate and defend it, period.
3 Years of this game's life as proof, bite me.
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Your are bad player.
Your welcome.
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Yes because this is how the devs envisioned the game in the first place. You should not be able to 1v1 the killer, as soon as he finds you he should be able to down you in 30-40secs. Legion is basically like giving every killer bloodlust that doesn't break even after you break a pallet which would make most killers that currently aren't viable actually viable.
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Leatherface is the king of camping not tunneling. Only killers that are strong chasers can tunnel effectively which is why Legion is in fact the king of tunneling as there is no counter against them. Legion can vault windows and pallets just like a survivor and combined with franks mixtape it's just a short tunneling session till the survivor goes on the hook again and again.
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I guess I can't disagree except... Nurse and Spirit are both better at downing survivors than Legion if they already know the location of them. Well, maybe not "better" but certainly more time-efficient.
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Looping is exploitive. Killers have a huge disadvantage in it. A interesting chase is one that involves innovative mind games and fun on both sides. Before you start saying I'm a survivor main that wants to bully killers 24/7, I am the exact opposite. A killer main that wants a fair game on both sides. Nurse is broken. Legion is broken in a worse way. Gens are too fast. Solo survivor needs help.
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Is Nurse unhealthy for the game?
Edit: I do disagree btw. But you have valid reasoning behind everything you said there.
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Exactly!
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Yes. When you Vs a nurse like Ardetha or tru3, you really have no chance. Nurse however isn't a pick up and win killer. Legion is.
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So nurse is totally fine because she needs a bit more practice but is even more oppressive. Idolism leads to nothing.
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Heh silly burgers. Devs said Legion was a big 'ol mistake.
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Devs also mostly have no clue of balance because they are too busy making the game instead of getting good at it. They are afraid to make the game how it's meant to be because they know that gamers wouldn't want this style of assymetric play where they have no chance in a 1v1 situation even tho it would be needed.
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This guy gets it.
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Except survivors even DC when you don't moonwalk so there's that. You know what's boring too? Palletlooping. Takes no skill, no mindgame potential yet here I am, not DCing. Let's not forget tons of dumb loopspots that you either have to abandon or bloodlust altho devs are finally patching them out
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"Looping is exploitive. Killers have a huge disadvantage in it. A interesting chase is one that involves innovative mind games and fun on both sides."
Fair enought, but maybe if you stopped using the usual survivor mains vocabulary, peoples wouldn't mistake you with one.
I agree to your reasonning to an extent, i would say the same... if most killers were balanced (by that i mean not underpowered).
Just logic :
Survivors have a huge advantage (aggravated by SWF) against all killers except the 2 you mentioned.
This game is all about killer reacting to survivor's actions.
Balance the game for the rest of the roaster, THEN balance the broken ones.
But hey, it's "only" been nearly 3 years that veterans are asking for that, instead of the usual band aid fix.
See how efficient that was.
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Susie is so sexy
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@BACKSTABBER She is around 14-16 I believe calm down
-FBI is at door-
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Legal in germany lul
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Good looping actually does require skill. Its why its reccommended you go after people who are ######### loopers, because they’re much more likely to waste pallets like they’re nothing and clear the map, ntm go down almost instantly. Devs have added so much ######### in order to help a killer player with looping if it’s that much of an issue. Its not an exploit and its been in the game since near launch, its not going away any time soon.
As for Legion, he’s braindead and so are all the people who defend him.
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@MhhBurgers Legal in Alabama, if you just believe :)
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Lots of things are legal in Alabama, it's not at all surprising.
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Yet Legion is weak. They are NOT a pick up and win killer. Not by a longshot. They ARE pick up and win in a 1v1 chase, but really all killers should be.
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@Lillika Hey, Lillika! I'd like to say something...
Don't let what Survivors say get you down and stop your fun. You bought this game for a reason, and it was to enjoy what YOU wanted to enjoy! Play whoever you feel is fun to play and don't let anyone's comments bring you down. Everyone has their own preferences, and while Survivors (and probably some Killers who worship the Streamers and YouTubers who started the Legion hate) are gonna complain about Legion, you shouldn't let their opinions get to ya. Just have fun, ignore end-game chats, and just focus on your enjoyment, buddy. I hope that you won't quit the game and that you'll continue to enjoy what Killer you want to enjoy. :)
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I think you are wrong.
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"So I decided to put Legion on the bench, cus I really do like to please people (not going to change, so don't tell me to toughen up)."
I don't see things going well for you as far as this situation if this is the mentality you subscribe to.
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Brain dead...the most used word in here now because 90% of those who hate legion have tunnel vision and cannot see that he has several counters
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Yeah Legion is so fine that it broke the game. No one wants to play against some trash like that, cause you cant counter him.
@OP: If you can only play a broken killer whos completely braindead DbD is not your game. Learn to play killerside. It needs time, but Legion is not an option right now.
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@Hoodedfengm1n and people like @MegsAreEvil will continue using the phrase "no counter" and never acknowledge any of the very real counters. Over time I came to realize that if the counter is outside of the chase, they don't consider it a counter.
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What counter is that, beyond UEing in a corner like a tool or camping a pallet which the killer will respect? Doing gens in separate parts of the map in a solo game with no communication? lmfao
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@TheHourMan I know about the counters, if thats what you mean, but I just hate how this community just sees a killer like legion and says "Oh a killer with no hit recovery, oh look no counter" even though legion possibly has more counters than the community thinks
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No, I meant the other person mentioned was an example of what I was saying.
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