I'm done trying to defend gens

Lol, well of course Hawkins has very few safe pallets at all. But again, except for Hawkins and Dead Dawg, I can't think of any map with a lot of unsafe pallets.

I agree. It's completely unfair to the Killer.

It's basically uncounterable and unbalanced the entire map.

Here's the vod for anyone interested.

Brought a Survivor main with me, so we'd have that perspective as well.

By that logic, CoH wasn't an issue but we all know it was.

Total time investment is more important.

If you interrupt two people healing with sloppy, how much time did they waste

Assuming a full heal, that's two people wasting that amount of time.

Same with duo'ing on a gen.

If they decide to fully heal again, that's actually exactly what it means. That's at minimum looking at around 40-45 seconds of wasted time for both survivors, adding up to 80-90 seconds in total, equivalent to a full gen's worth of time (and that's being generous as hell, assuming they immediately go back to healing instead of dispersing for 10-20 seconds). If the survivor was to heal himself, loses progress due to the killer interrupting, then heal again, that's over 40 seconds for that individual survivor. Assuming the other survivor that would have been healing them doesn't have to, that's over half a gen of progress they could get done in that time.

Time in this game is not universal, all survivors can use it differently and thus, must be thought about as so. It is not an "abstract" way of thinking about it, it is mathematically and logically backed. It is a waste of time to double up on gens or healing unless there's one gen left or the person cannot heal themselves. This is an indisputable fact.

Sorry, but I guess so. I don’t really see your point.

Are we talking legit gen rushing? Or just chases not ending fast enough. I can't tell you how many matches I have played as survivor to get salted on by a killer who over committed to one survivor. A 6 minute chase and 4-5 gens later, it's not gen rushing.

shame...

Pallets that become less safe once the pallet is down are unsafe. Jungle Gyms, Shack and long loops with good LoS are safe even with the pallet down.

Rock loops, trash loops and etc aren't safe once the pallet drops.

Likewise, any loop where you need specific scenarios in order for it to be safe. For example, " The Killer has to be an M1."

General mindgameablity goes into it as well.

I don't see why that really matters here. As someone who bounces around with the bp bonus I see complaints from both sides. I've had games as a survivor where we smoke the killer, and matches where the killer smokes us. I've also been on the other side of it. I see that most of your replies tend to be complaining and discounting suggestions that people are giving you. If you're not happy with killer at the moment, switch sides and see what happens.

This did not help. Feels like rambling.

Your logic doesn't really make any sense.

Have you tried basic logic?

If you interrupt TWO PEOPLE, performing ONE action, you are wasting multiple people's time. This results in a net loss of double the time that would've been lost if a single person was performing said action.

I genuinely do not see what's so hard to grasp.

Your logic doesn't really make any sense.

*Shrug* who knows, people here often have more insanity than we do, so figure we should ask.

What people are saying is that because two survivors were occupied, it's 20 seconds worth of potential generator time that you negated.

I do think some people adhere to that concept a little too religiously and can miss some important context about when real time matters more than potential generator time, but it isn't a completely unsound way of looking at the topic.

They mean that those two survivors were off generators to heal- the idea being, they spend potential generator time to gain the benefit of that survivor being healthy.

You interrupted the heal, meaning the generator time wasn't spent, it was wasted. Since they were spending both survivor's potential generator time to begin with, that means 20 total seconds of potential generator time was invested without payoff. Ergo, 20 seconds wasted.

I don't fully agree with this perspective but it also isn't completely incoherent.

To add on to this too, it doesn't even have to be generator time, but it's simply time in general. Time that could spent literally doing anything. Running for hook saves, running the killer, doing totems, etc. Generators are just used as an example of efficiency with said time.

Coldwind and Macmillan maps? Really? Can't think of many pallets that are unsafe on those maps personally.

I personally don't try to hard and normally get about 30k bps before multiplier by focusing on hiking everyone twice and then just playing with them while they do gens or go afk. I don't care about meta perks, meta killers, or really anything. I just put on perks that seem amusing, like Trail of Torment, Hysteria, Dark Devotion, and stuff like that.

I normally don't really try hard unless a tome challenge makes me have to

I would say easily mindgameable is unsafe. Like, you can mindgame Shack, but that doesn't make shack unsafe.

Also, neither the rock loops nor the middle of the cornfield haybale loops are long enough to be safe. I could swing from one side to another.