Tunneling Fix Suggestion

Survivor is unhooked, rescuer gets downed. The unhooked Survivor immediately starts healing the downed one, preventing pick up. There are a few perks that would make it all but a guaranteed escape for the rescuer. Or, the unhooked Survivor follows the Killer during a chase and immediately starts to heal a Survivor the moment they're downed, punishing the Killer for not camping or even returning to the hook. Or they spend 90 seconds disarming traps or the like.

TL:DR; if you make Survivors intangible, you need to make sure healing another Survivor in that state or interacting with Killer items counts as a conspicuous action.

I know tunneling ain't fun for survivors but there's really nothing you can do without people wanting it to ramp up. I'm not sure of the 'immune' you're talking about, but by immune you mean tank hits until they do one of the actions to disable it or expire due to time, so in this scenario the survivor can follow the player who unhooked them to tank hit after hit after hit after hit for their team until the 90 seconds expire. Now even if you can't hit the survivor, they will still follow so that any attack the killer makes would automatically target the immune survivor hit box cuz auto-aim (or the aim dressing meme). It has been proven that when survivors gain a mechanic, they will abuse it as much as possible. Look at base kit borrowed time, every survivor gets unhooked and runs in front of the killer to block their path and tank a hit, but the killer sits there staring at them, the survivor panics and starts running, their enduring runs out, killer downs them, "OMG YOU'RE SUCH A BAD TUNNELER NOOB BRAIN DEGENERATE, SWEATY KILLER TRY-HARD, WHY ARE YOU SO BAAAAAAD AT THIS GAME!" but you know, with a lot more spicy words.

All in all, I don't think there's anything that can be done about the tunneling problem (as those weaker killer players don't want to take the effort to learn) as the weaker players have adopted it since it works for them because survivors are really altruistic to a fault and camping/tunneling is easy against altruistic players, so why would anyone want to learn the game, when there's a simpler method that works

OP literally said that the immuned survivors would lose collision. In that regard auto-aim or body wouldn't work.

Plus no palet/flashy save/Hook sabo(I guess).

Basically the unhooked survivors is a ghost until they do one of the "extended" conspicuous actions.

However game would need a anti fast gen repair mechanic to balance it for both sides and not only be a major survivors buff.

That's a very pessimistic take considering they addressed recently :

- Face camp.

- Trigen strats.

I don't see why tunneling wouldn't get any basekit mechanic counter in the future in that regard.

But even as a survivors main I vehemently stand against an anti-tunnel mechanic that works all trial long (should only work early game) without the introduction of a gen slowdown mechanic basekit.

Asking for an all game long anti-tunnel mechanic only is asking for a murder of the killer main experience.

Yes I make it sounds dramatic, but I don't want to imagine how bad the low/mid tier killers experience against the sweatiest SWF and even good solo Q survivors would be.

You do realize that salty, selfish survivors invented the term "tunneling" off of "tunnel vision" and the only fix is to shut up about it and stop trying to frame a made-up concept as a colossal issue. Maybe you should take a closer look at just how fair things really are.

• Gates can be powered mere minutes from match start (never forget that).
• You're playing on a team of 4 people vs one other person.
• A lot of loops are designed on purpose to be easy to run and hard to be caught in.
• You get to use unfair perks that make hooking a moderately punishing thing to do as well as perks that let you keep going even though you got caught (devastating when gens can be done so fast).
• Map resources are so plentiful and close together that they basically form an EZ-2-navigate safety highway that almost never runs out or becomes considerably unsafe before the gates are powered.

The structure of the game is so stacked against the killer that they need to jump to desperation tactics immediately if they want to win (btw everybody needs to collectively stop talking to/about killers like they're not supposed to try to win the game, it's pure 100% Grade 'A' Cringe).

So many survivor players want to go on and on about what feels unfair from their perspective alone, never acknowledging the full game picture...never thinking about why killers develop the strategies and playstyles that they do...Mostly harboring thoughts like "I don't care if there are other important factors to consider about it. Me, Myself and I did not have any fun, therefore there is an issue and I shall now lobby the dev to change the game without thinking about what I'm doing."

If you want something designed to spit out fun like a vending machine spits out candy bars, then you should be playing a single-player game and you know it...Not ignorantly trying to diminish the power role into the prey.

Know what? I kinda like this idea.

If the unhooked survivor can't throw pallets or do anything until an objective object is touched, it also defeats players who sabotage their allies who waste all the pallets on a map too.

Now my only big argument is this allows the unhooked player to just be in a safe spot and progress a gen, or tap a 99'd gen. Or just run to a hex and pop it if the killer doesn't follow. I propose a small debuff for say, 10 seconds after touching an objective where repair speed/cleansing speed is slowed and generators can't be completed until the debuff is over.

The only way to prevent tunneling is to make the killer feel like they don't need to. People died very quickly back in the day unless they abused infinite loops etc. But for the average player they didnt really care about getting killed fast because it was normal and fun because the killer was a huge threat. Once dead theyd just go to the next round easy and quick. Weve been given so many more chances to survive in a round now that the killer trying to kill you off quickly always feels like a personal attack rather than simple efficiency. Im not sure how the game could change back to what it was. Or make tunneling feel less personal somehow. As long as hook states exists tunneling always will too.

The issue on tunneling seems to center on SWF groups vs soloQ. The game knows which survivors come in together. Can a counter be added to the game to track how many come in as a group, and adjust the endurance timer so if its all soloQ, or 2 solo + 2 friends, the endurance effect is, say, 2 seconds longer, versus if 3 SWF + 1 solo, no change from current?  Would that balance both sides?