Are the devs serious?

I'm failing to understand how buffing her chase power doesn't fix exactly that. Or why your upset about an extra 30 seconds on RBTs that never touched a survivor head apparently.

Again there is some problems with the add-ons. Around have of them are based around the lethality of RBT so that has to be some compensation in the add-ons

its a jarring change, due to the fact that the reasoning is “to make her less reliant on RBT” which is fine! But again, she wasn’t in a place to get any nerfs at all.

It should be more lethal than sadako’s power not less. Sadako is easier to apply, and you can apply it multiple times even if they remove it (although at that point it’s more a winmore skill)

for Pig, you get Limited RBTs and with this nerf to lethality it makes them a joke.

i don’t understand why so many people are content with letting Pig be a D Tier killer. Considering the relationship the creators of Saw have with BHVR I would expect pig to be at least B tier right?

At loops, if you're going to ambush, you should take control if the pallet. Start the ambush at or near the pallet so youll hit the survivor before they get back around to it. Obviously if a survivor is camping a pallet and not looping, ambush isn't going to do anything, but they're also blowing through resources fast and making a giant deadzone. Deadzones against stealth killers in general are really bad for survivors. Get afew easy and fast pallets from them, then break off rather than allowing 1 survivor to show you the entire map.

What exactly do you presume the Pig is doing while you're neglecting your trap?

I'd also point out that the Pig doesn't need to see box auras to interrupt you, she just needs to see you. If you neglect your trap for an entire minute, you're giving yourself way less time to actually search multiple boxes, and if the Pig brings any way of tracking you then you're going to be at huge risk of a head pop.

I think a lot of people are assuming that not being able to see the box auras automatically means the Pig is completely incapable of like, basic tracking, or bringing info perks. No, it's just slightly harder. The longer you have a trap, the more time she has to even just stumble across you when she isn't actively looking, let alone find you if she is looking.

No killer has to pressure gens and most killer players would do a lot better once they realise that. Pig, like every killer, pressures survivors and mostly only uses gens as bait. As for her chase being weak, that is literally what they are buffing on the PTB, so at least confirm the changes aren't enough before doomsaying?

It's meant to be enough to get the searches off, that's the point of her power. Survivors aren't supposed to die to RBTs, they're supposed to willingly trade gen time for the guarantee that they won't die to RBTs. That's the whole point. If this change makes survivors less likely to die to either randomly getting a bad box spread and not having time, or to Pig players who aggressively harass them away from boxes, good. That means the power is working more as intended.

Do I need to point out that there's more ways of tracking survivors than aura perks, and that spending box-search time healing is risky?

I mean, none of those addons are all that good except for the two Gears addons, and those addons are good because they increase the slowdown more than because they increase lethality.

The idea of addons that decrease the timer is presumably that a shorter timer would mean more urgency for the survivors, but there's two major things to remember: the first is that the ability to do something with addons doesn't always translate to that thing being necessary, important, or even balanced basekit, and the second is that these addons aren't particularly amazing, you're not giving me a list of Pig's best addons here.

Those addons aren't that amazing specifically because the lethality of the traps isn't really why you bring them, and the time they detract from the timer can't be that strong - Crate of Gears and Tampered Timer was nerfed a while ago to make sure of this, because bringing the old version of those addons with a little extra work made head-pops way too reliable.

Providing more urgency is fine, it's not a bad effect to bring with addons, but the increase of thirty seconds lessening the urgency somewhat doesn't necessarily then become something you'll notice with regular/good Pig gameplay. Hell, if anything, it's more time with traps on which gives more time for other addon effects to work, more time to keep survivors off generators, and in general just more trap slowdown. You almost want the traps on for as long as possible, as long as the survivor doesn't feel too safe working on a generator with one active- which thirty extra seconds shouldn't cause, and if it does, you can capitalise on it. Remember, the change that made the average trap take more searches was a buff because they have the hat on for longer now.

None of this applies to the two bottom addons, those are just flat out bad.

Sure, if you want. Pig doesn't have particularly amazing addons, I wouldn't be against giving her new effects for these addons. Like I said, they're not very good, I'd love if they were changed to something more directly useful.

Don't know why you think this is a "can't have it both ways" gotcha when my answer is pretty predictable, lol.

I also don't know why you're accusing me of mental gymnastics saying "Pig shouldn't pressure boxes", I've never said that, you should be able to and you'll still be able to after this nerf. The only thing I think should get weaker is aggressively harassing one survivor until they are dead, because any way of doing that in DBD is unhealthy and unpleasant. I don't even think these nerfs really prevent that, though, so that's barely even relevant.

The timer nerf makes sense for the above reason and because there are maps where the timer might not be enough to search four boxes, it's whatever. Minor change, wouldn't have called for it myself but I also don't mind that it's happening. The box aura nerf... eh. I'll test it, but I don't imagine it'll make a huge difference, might be wrong.

I am sorry, I didn’t mean to do a gotcha or be overly aggressive, I misread your points and got upset and for that I’m sorry. This isn’t like a funny joke, I got hostile and overreacted.

my main anger comes from the fact that Pig getting this nerf feels unnecessary and I am annoyed that despite acknowledging that pig is over nerfed, a nerf was still given.

This change gives pig less control which doesn’t make sense lore wise, and kinda bums me out. Deep down I knew it would be impossible to fix pig with simple changes but I am still disappointed with the changes

believe me, I play enough pig to know the mindgames and when it's generaly good to ambush. which is not a lot of times.

I also know many times you lose to "survivor decided not to play the mindgame with you at all and just ran to the next loop".

this buff does not make her have a chase power. it's a stealth attack power with small applications in chase. it would need more substancial buffs before it can be actually effective in chase

Sorry about the late response, I was distracted by the PTB, lol

So I think a big miscommunication between us is that you seem to think I/this change is in favour of Pig being stopped from interrupting searches, and I don't think that's quite accurate. There's not actually anything in these changes stopping Pig from interrupting boxes, it's just harder to get specifically a head-pop from doing it and you have to utilise a little more tracking skill to try it in the first place.

What I think this change is meant to accomplish is twofold, in that regard. I think it's meant to communicate to Pig players, especially newer ones, that you're not really supposed to be patrolling those boxes as your primary gameplay loop, you're meant to be spreading pressure. The second is that I think it's meant to reinforce that the benefit of interrupting boxes now and then is more slowdown, not a head-pop. Find a survivor on a box, harry them away, go do something else, that survivor is forced to either double back around and risk running into you again or run to another box.

The problem with the increase-urgency addons is that they increase the risk of dying to a head trap. That's exactly why the Tampered Timer + Crate of Gears combination was nerfed, it increased the risk to the point where the survivor couldn't reasonably guarantee staying alive if they dropped everything to go search boxes, which skewed Pig's power massively from a fair slowdown mechanic to an unfair free kill. Now when you run them, it increases urgency, but only to the point where you have much less leeway to do anything else; you're still probably not gonna die unless the Pig hard-focuses you.

This is also why I don't think current Tampered Timer is actually all that good. The slowdown from the Gears addons adds up, even if it's kinda minor, but the Tampered Timer doesn't actually make head-pops reliable (which it shouldn't) nor does it actually change the slowdown numbers at all, it just makes survivors go through their searches quicker without any dallying around which can kind of backfire on you if they only have a few searches to do at all. I'd much rather see this addon reworked to be more cohesive with what her kit actually excels in, at least the Annotated Plan provides some really meagre team pressure to stop gen repairs entirely- and even then it's not good.

The addons existing doesn't mean they're inherently well designed or healthy. Killers have had dumb problematic addons for as long as the game's been out, on and off. Even so, if you were to argue that the playstyle of Pig trying to ambush searches and gain pressure that way is healthy, the fact that it's still extremely doable with those addons and just requires more effort + brainpower would still support my base claim. What a power's designed to do at base can be altered with addons, after all.

Yes and no.

So if your going to dodge our yes or no question some more please atleast be amusing about it.

Well you probably aren't that good at it seeing as you admitted to playing the trap/tunnel play style. You are used to checking auras on the station and not so much chasing.

Keep practicing. If you can provide footage, that helps as well.

Since I can't access the PTB... Is the dash useful OUTSIDE loops? If I crouch and ambush straight, would it cover more distance than just holding W for an M1?