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Questions for P100s
I have read many times that survivors do not want their prestige to be revealed in the pre game lobby. The reasoning behind it is that killers seem to tunnel P100 survivors quite frequently. I personally don't have a P100 survivor, so I cannot speak on this. However, it seems unintuitive to me because we also have people dodge lobbies with P100 survivors.
This would imply that some killer players are intimidated by high prestige survivors. If that is the case though, why would they tunnel them instead of the low prestige players in the lobby? Is that really a common thing?
Another question I have is how people typically react to your P100 characters in the end game chat. I have seen everything from people being happy to play against me to prestige shaming but it's mostly positive reactions, if at all.
If you had the option, would you hide your prestige in the pre game lobby? Would you do it in the post game lobby too?
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i get tunneled for having p100, i wish they'd hide it from killers.
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Yes and yes.
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As a killer main I never worry about prestige level. I just play the game. If the survivors are good survivors and they out play me then I get outplayed.
I like a challenge in my games. If I didn't I would play Hello Kitty. I thnk people put too much stock into swf/ prestige etc.
I just play. Win some lose some. I will admit the communication and coordination that swf gets is an advantage. But, I accept it and just do the best I can.
Remember, win and lose with dignity.
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How frequently would you say that happens and what do you think might be the reason some killers target P100 survivors in particular?
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The BM is whatever, its the lobby dodging that's annoying and the biggest reason why they should be hidden.
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Some days a good portion of my time is spent in lobby as lobby dodging is a massive problem. Other days, like today there were so many very high prestige levels on both sides, it didn’t matter at all and it felt like a normal dayS
on week days, If it’s not lobby simulator , it’s bring map offerings or white ward for killers best add ons.. followed by tunnel the baby survivor of the lobby out ASAP.
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A killer will generally tunnel out the highest prestige player in the lobby because if you take out the strongest link early, you'd expect the rest of the game to snowball in your favour.
This is generally a tactic that weaker/less experienced killer players will use, because in reality you can be stomped by p13 players that also happen to have 6000+ hours. Once you've been killing long enough you understand that the prestige of the survivor you're looking at means very little.
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It's lobby dodge simulator and when killer stays, you know it's pretty try-hard killer. Strongest build as possible and tunnel first down out.
For quality of matchmaking, i stopped use my Jill sadly. Thanks to BHVR for not hiding prestiges, it's pretty easy to do but we have to wait years i guess.
For your question, it is not to tunnel to P100 player directly. They are tunnelling the first hooked survivor usually and playing pretty sweaty. And i never got prestige shamed, so i can't talk about it. But at least 5 - 6 killers are dodging lobby when they see P100 lobies.
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I play on a P100 and have not been successfully hard tunneled in over 500 games (yes I track things like this). I do not know where the idea that P100s get specifically targeted comes from. If anything most killers will avoid me if they have a choice. Tunneling in my games is always the lowest hour, lowest prestige, etc getting deleted from the match. The reason I want it hidden is because I get significantly more dodges when I play on my P100. The matchmaking is already terrible and I don't want it to be any worse.
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The lobby dodging is insane and only makes the matchmaking system worse. Hide the prestige’s, it’s that simple.
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Successfully hard tunneled isn’t what’s being asked here, it’s the attempt that’s being asked.
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Those are two different killers. The ones that dodge are afraid and thus dodge. The one's willing to stay tunnel you.
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That's as good an explanation as any other, though to me it still seems counterintuitive. If the weak link is eliminated early, then it doesn't matter how good the best player on that team is because they still cannot make up for the loss of their team mate.
Trying to explain it with logic may be exactly why I don't understand it though.
That's pretty sad. I feel sorry for you.
I would really like the option to hide prestige at least in the pre game lobby. It would probably teach some people that P100s are just normal players and it would surely reduce the amount of lobby dodging.
That is a good point. Although I still don't understand why they would tunnel the P100 specifically. I can't wrap my head around that thought process.
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It's the lower prestige/lower hour players who get hard tunneled in my matches. I rarely see a killer go out of their way to chase the highest prestige survivor. It definitely happens less frequently than the killer focusing on the least experienced survivor. I do not have people attempt to tunnel me more frequently when I am on a high prestige survivor.
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8 out of 10 games.
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That is incredibly sad.
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Funny enough moments after posting in this thread, got this entirely coincidental lobby, we had four killers dodge before we finally got into game.
Load into a killer who was obviously VPN'ing (200+ ping for all survivors.) Who was hitting people on hook.
Killers (and survivors too tbh) need to be unable to look at steam profile/prestige in the pre-game lobby. It doesn't contribute anything positive to the game.
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Yeah I totally agree, targeting the weak link is for sure the play most go for.
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Most of them when they are present.
I really don't have a clue. It doesn't make sense. It's probably some form of punishment considering people's reaction to it
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Get dodged more than tunnel.
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This would imply that some killer players are intimidated by high prestige survivors. If that is the case though, why would they tunnel them instead of the low prestige players in the lobby? Is that really a common thing?
Another question I have is how people typically react to your P100 characters in the end game chat. I have seen everything from people being happy to play against me to prestige shaming but it's mostly positive reactions, if at all.
If you had the option, would you hide your prestige in the pre game lobby? Would you do it in the post game lobby too?
some players thinks ´´well, i need to remove the good player asap because the bad players are not going to do anything´´ or they just want to show their skill level to you
i like to show my prestige, it looks cool
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Funny enough, I encounter way more sucky P100’s than good ones. I know Prestige doesn’t equal skill, but to put that much dedication into leveling up one character, surely you should know all the do’s and dont’s of DBD? After all that time, some P100’s still play like Day 3 players. Smh. Maybe that’s why they get tunneled- tend to be easier prey.
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I have gotten tunneled and bmed for being a p100. I remember a myers ttv that was doing the facecamp into tombstone play style and in the vod he said “i know who im gonna tunnel out” and it was me the only one at p100. And i have also gotten lobby dodged alot for being a p100. Both are annoying and bhvr should just make it hidden until endgame screen.
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As a P100 Dweet the lobby dodging is more frequent than being tunneled for it. I honestly think prestige should be hidden til end game. Its not information the killer needs to know. Prestige is not a reflection of skill level.
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I honestly think it is more for the lobby dodging, not saying that P100 indicates skill per say, but it does at least mean a higher than average hour count so people will dodge lobbies when they see it. So you basically can't play that character anymore, I am in favor of hiding it till post match. It is the same reason people on Steam private their profiles so they don't get dodged for hour count, I think the option to do that should probably go too.
I also think BHVR should show who is in a SWF post match too since it wouldn't really hurt anything.
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Yeah I would hide it. I got a p69 that took me 17 months to get. Prestige means nothing. It's the Steve's at p1 you got to be careful of.
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Both can be true. One killer might dodge them while another might prefer to target them.
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It may be a culture thing idk, but there is basically 0 difference if I play Meg (P100) or any other Survivor.
Id rather they hide it in the lobby just so killers cant lobby shop, but still show it in the endgame screen.
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Novice survivors cannot understand why they were tunneled. So they use prestige as a reason.
I definitely agree with you when I play a killer.
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I don’t have any P100 characters, but I play against one or two almost every game at this point. They aren’t that much different from regular players most of the time and I don’t mind playing against them.
I think there is a few reasons why these players get focused more:
- The killer sees them and thinks they are some god at the game and needs to get rid of them
- The killer realises the P100 is actually pretty bad and decided to tunnel them just so they can feel good about killing a P100
- The P100 is just bad and is using tunnelling as an excuse
- P100s are MUCH more likely to play aggressive and go for risky plays, making it so avoiding the player is often difficult.
- P100s DC a lot so maybe they do it to try and get them to DC? I dunno…
- And of course people are scared to face them so they just dodge the lobby
I’ve had multiple P100s accuse me of tunnelling and every time it’s just because they are always in my face so I just go for them.
I wouldn’t be opposed to hiding prestige until the end game. Most P100s aren’t an issue in my experience so I think hiding it wouldn’t really affect killers too much and just make it less frustrating for the survivors that have to deal with constant lobby dodging. Killers prestige level isn’t shown until the end so I don’t see why it would make much of a difference if the survivors are too. Or even just make it optional. More optional player control is always good!
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Maybe not every P100 gets tunneled because of their prestige, but because they were the first to get hooked? Maybe they were easy to down? Maybe they BM'd and triggered the killer?
Maybe not every P100 gets dodged because oh their prestige, but because of the other players in the lobby? Because they brought the fourth toolbox. Maybe together with the other 3 P100s they looked like a sweaty SWF?
Maybe more people tunnel P100s because oh threads like this?
Who knows?
But yes, prestige and steam profiles should only be visible after the match. I expected steam profiles to be gone when this game released on consoles, but somehow they stayed.
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If the Steam account is not visible, there is no way to check the ban history of the person in question. I hate it so much. I don't want to play with people who have been banned not only as killers but also as survivors. It should be my freedom.
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tbh imo you get tunneled whether you have a p100 or not. it's as easy as that
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I get noticably more dodging when on my P100, so I've honestly just stopped using them. I do NOT want to be """responsible""" for churning the lobbies I get into through backfill logic more than needed.
Remove it from pre-game lobby entirely. Not a toggle, that'd be worse than the current system as hidden prestige would be auto assumed to mean P100 no matter what it truly is. Post-game? Probably fine, besides the 3 people that'd actually be strange enough to make "confirmed p100 players" lists I doubt it'd lead to much more than some "ur bad at game and p100?? lol??" trash talk which happens already anyway.
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Imaging thinking tunneling only happens to p100.
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The fact that lobbies in general is still in the game after SBMM makes no sense. I actually agree with BHVRs sentiment of just measuring kills or escapes for MMR, it's how every other game or even sport does it. You don't count each individual piece taken as a point in chess. SBMM is an alright concept, most top players have more fun matches when they face other top players.
But all having lobbies does is cause people to dodge P100s, and then matchmaking scrambles to get someone to backfill, ruining the match balance.
Why not just have a ready up check when a match is found, then when all five players readied up it went straight to loading the match? That would be way better both for how fast it takes to get into a match, and match quality. Plus killers don't get time to ee prestiges or identify weak links based on hours.
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Yes, and yes.
Killers go after the P100 because the P2 Mikaela is setting up boons, the P4 Claudette is hiding and the P0 Dwight is blowing skill checks on the same gen. Why go after the ones that aren't a threat?
Most people I've talked to that were survivor mains see a P100 as something to strive for. Most killers tell me to touch grass (or mori myself).
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I wouldn't say that my p100 has ever gotten me tunneled but then again I rarely play on my p100s because of the lobby dodging. It can already takes a little while to find games then add getting dodged 3, 4, 5,... Times on top of that just makes it exponentially worse. If I want decent queue times at all I have to play on one of my lower level characters and hope that no other "High Numbers" show up. I say high Numbers because it's not strictly a p100 thing. Once you hit around the mid range you will start to notice killer dodging you. I don't know why this hasn't been fixed yet. Killers shouldn't see prestige levels until the match is over. You spend all this time leveling up one character and then you can't even play them anymore unless you want to wait and hour to play one game. RIP my Jake that still has over 1000 terrormisu's.
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Where did I say that or imply that in the slightest?? 🤣
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So I'm not quite at p100, but I have noticed that when people get tunneled it does seem to be the p100 or the p1. Some go for the weakest link (or so they think) and others either want the challenge or want to remove the strongest player in their opinion.
Should it be hidden in pre-game? Yes, I'd even say for both sides. I don't want my team seeing that I'm playing my p1 Haddie for a challenge and just assume I'm trash, or see my p100 (which I don't have) and assume I'm great, they can now hide all game.
And while I typically don't lobby dodge, if I get 1 or 2 p100s, cool, let's see whatcha got. If it's 3-4...yeah, I'm probably out. At least 1 of them should be pretty good. And then that messes up the mmr for that match leading to frustration for one side.
My opinion is that hiding prestige would be healthier for the game.
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I stopped using my P100 survivor because of the lobby dodging. They seem to see the P100 symbol and start simulating a loss in their head and then back out.. I don't know.
The devs need to implement an option to hide it now. The time has come
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Hi, P100 haddie and soon P100 Cheryl, more often than not, p100s have been in the game so long that we just don't care about survival, so we are usually not sweaty at all. However, that pretty 100 badge is quite intimidating to people. The thing about tunneling is that eventually, the killer will win. There's not much survivors can do about that.
Not only that, but the pre game lobby dodging is crazy. I'll have 13, 14 killers dodge one lobby and that lobby then becomes a 30 minute wait cuz no one wants to play against you. Personally, I worked so incredibly hard for P100 haddie before the blood web update that I just want to show her but it will often, if not always result in a toxic match. I think they should 1) Add a cosmetic reward for p100 characters and 2) add an anonymity option for prestige in pregame lobbies to avoid this issue.
On the other side of the issue, I can see how we are scary to killers, especially with the ######### mmr this game has and I don't blame them for dodging, I just wish it didn't happen yknow?
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I can understand them not giving a cosmetic for the p100 for a couple reasons but now that banners and icons have been added.. it would be nice to get a character specific p100 portrait and like a legendary banner.
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I mean I guess make it an option to hide your prestige.
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Prestige should only be seen by yourself not by others. You gain nothing good from others seeing it.
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These days I don't really care who's in the lobby. Could be 3 ttv SWF or 2 x p100 solo/swf or just random with high prestige.
Most of the time I don't even take note who's the P100s are. I generally base my decision on 1-2 chases & decide a survivors ability after that. Normally I identify the person who's good at looping or wants to lead me to strong loops and I'll ignore them until the time is right i.e less pallets, catch them in a weak area etc.
I've been surprised quite often by the players I assumed would be strong actually being the weaker links and by players that look unsuspecting (low prestige, base cosmetics etc) to be very good.
As a general though most people with a p100 are fairly good at the game so I can understand why some Killers might be intimidated by having a lobby full of p50-100s and go into full sweat mode playing as if their life depended on it lol
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THAS what I'm sayin, like we get punished for having the badge, give us something that won't end our lives 😭😭 the P100 grind is grueling
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Yesterday I had a P88 in my lobby. Everyone else was under prestige five. Two killers in a row waited for the timer to reach sixteen seconds and then left. They literally went out of their way to waste as much of the lobbies' time as possible. The tunneling thing is hard to discern as I'm only prestige five at the highest on any survivor, but the lobby dodging is definitely real.
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On one hand you have Otz tunneling out the weakest survivor. (least hrs)
In the other hand P100's saying the get tunneled out because they have the highest prestige.
Both can be true but the survivor being tunneled will lean towards the reason that best match their perspective.
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You're right. It doesn't make any sense. It's almost as if it's not a thing that happens and this is all just some "feels over real" whining.
Killers that want to win tunnel out the weakest link. A p100 player has spent enough time in the game that they shouldn't be the weakest link in most teams. They aren't being targeted any more than any other player is. The people complaining about it are likely just bad, so they get downed easily, so they feel like they're being targeted.
I know people like to pretend that levels mean nothing, but the reality is that it takes a looooong time to grind out enough blood points to get a character to p100. Enough time that they should be more than capable of holding their own. In the games that I've played, the p100 players are typically better than the rest, so I hold off on dealing with them until the weaker players are out because getting looped for too long in the early game is a death sentence, but if you believe what people here have to say, time spent =/= skill, which is a notion that's just baffling to me. It's like saying that practicing something, like say, drawing, won't actually make you a better artist. Sure there's an element of doing the right practice vs doing the wrong practice, but generally speaking, if you're playing a game, the more time you spend with it, the better you'll be.
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