Tunneling is overblown

The irony is that trying to get your friends to play by playing with them is counterproductive given your MMR likely brings you into a vastly higher skill bracket than they should be.

Survivors dont expect to survive from staying in Killer's face all match. Killers do.

• Survivors complain about tunneling not because they're not able to escape, but rather not able to fully play the game. I rarely get complaining from death survivors when I dont tunnel (I never tunnel). So Survivors expect to survive from staying in Killer's face all match is not true.
• Killers, saying survivors just dont get two tapped (dont down and die) then survivors complain about tunneling. What killers mean survivors not to get two tapped?

Oh btw, the tunneled survivor "staying in Killer's face all match" is killer's decision.

I’m sorry to hit a nerve. I appreciate your contributions and never mean to ruffle feathers.

In my matches I notice that Survivors expose themselves unnecessarily to the Killer quite often. Naturally the Killer will go for them. It’s actually uncannily common in my games for 2+ Survivors to give the Killer free time by staying at the hook a Killer is guarding often times trying to provoke a chase. Maybe they are trying to get the Killer away from the hook but instead it results in a lot of unnecessary downs and hooks. That’s not even mentioning the Survivors that window spam to get the Killer’s attention. It’s just so counterproductive to survival.

In a large majority of my games it’s as if Survivors want to play chase instead of survival. It’s like hiding is too boring so they get into chase because it is more fun. I am on console so I don’t know what the interactions are in chat after but I would be surprised if insults of tunneling etc. weren’t thrown around despite the impatience I witness from them during matches. I’m sure many Killers get accused of tunneling even when they are not.

These are things that I personally have observed when I play as Survivor. Other Survivors thinking that the game can be won as a game of tag vs a game of hide and seek.

Love the forums not giving me a notification :(

For me, yes. For them? No. Unfortunately, not winning in DBD is usually because you're getting stomped, which I've noticed is increasingly common. Close games are the rarity now and I can't really enjoy a stomp either way. It's either miserable because you are losing badly or I feel bad because someone clearly got backfilled in.

Absolute cesspool was descriptive of the community, at times.

The odds are that those Killers still won. If you actually choose to tunnel with decent perks, you're gonna win 99% of the time. They buy you time to kill someone, even if that person is out of your league.

They don't happen to themconstantly, no. Few people are tunneled in multiple games in a row. Tunneling itself, however, is present is nearly every game.

I'm trying to teach them. Tricks and tips I've picked up over the now SIX years (jeez it's been that long) I've been playing. I try to encourage them, suggest fun builds with their limited perks and guide them. I try to take pressure off them, direct them, etc etc

The messages thing is hidden in settings. It blocks all messages from anyone outside your friends list.

I do go over structures. They're new players, they go down in 10 seconds regardless. They don't have Distortion.

Yeah, if being realistic paints the game in a bad light, that's on the game.

Here's the absolute unbiased truth.

You will not have a pleasant experience in a lot of your games. You will gain very little reward for your effort. You will need to invest an extremely large amount of time to even get a foothold in DBD.

Why would someone play a game where they aren't going to have a pleasant experience, where the game is an almost insurmountable grind and an extremely steep learning curve.

Well yeah its a great story but it doesn't change my point.

There is an arbitrary point where you decide that tunneling is acceptable and then do it. The story here is an example of that.

A lil thought exercise here.. Why is your version of "appropriate tunneling" more justified than someone else's, who may have a different ruleset for when its appropriate?

A side note.. You have to be able to answer this without applying any kind of assumed motivation or moral standard on your opponent for it to be rationally unbiased. For example

"If someone is playing in a manner that prevents my fair play, such as extremely purposeful body blocks (I'm talking, running behind the other survivor and stopping in a doorway so I can't pass), I will suspend my normal playstyle and give them what they want."

This statement qualifies the opponent as acting unfairly simple by trying to body block and then implies they want (or deserve) to be tunneled purely because of it. What they did, something many players ask for from their teammates, is simply helped a team mate by taking a hit and potentially taking aggro.

Why is this very basic and normal piece of gameplay grounds for you to engage in, as you put it, boring, lame and unfair tunneling?

Isn't this just another example of my previous point of using a playstyle you don't like to try and punish a different playstyle you don't like and feel justified in doing so? Kind of tit-for-tat.

So if your intent is to use tunneling maliciously to punish other behaviour isn't that motivation worse than someone who just uses it to try and win a game?

You sign up for any potential game play whenever you sign up for a game of DBD tournament or otherwise.

I think that's more an exception to the norm, honestly.

Even I didn't really like the game for a long while.

To be fair, F13 got kneecapped early on by legal issues.

I don't play, not really anymore. Every once in a while some friends will want to see if Survivor is fun again, it's not. Every once in a while, I'll play some Killer, but I'm tapped out. I've pushed as high as I can on Console, I've played comp, scrim nights and Community Cups. There's not much left for me on Killer and while I'd like to be on par with someone like Ayrun or Hens as a Survivor, it's just not gonna happen with how unpleasant the game usually is, playing alone is awful and most of my experienced friends have long since quit.

To some effect but the legal issues never stopped the game being available to play it simply started to die off due to stagnating game state. Although if folks haven't tried the solo play kill quests they are still worth the 10 bucks for a hour of bloody fun even if the main game is ironically well... dead.

Maybe that's for the best... DBD has been out for a long time and you seem burned out on it. I don't play as much as I used to either not because I'm tired o fit, there is just new stuff to play.

Age of Wonders 4 eats up a lot of my game time these days but a 4x requires a lot of time to play. I keep coming back to DBD because if I have a 30-40 min window I can crack out a couple of self contained games without any real commitment and that's just great.

It's less burn-out and more, "Where do I go from here."

I've played almost 6K hours of Killer and there haven't really been a lot of interesting and innovative powers recently.

interestingly your argument is much more forgiving towards the killer side regarding what they deserve and what not

i'm not sure anyone really cared (or should care) if you took any complaint seriously, but it is a bit weird how you project your wishes and expect people to accept them as facts.

Well, I just met a deathslinger that shot me thru wall edges and tunneled me straight away, nothing I could do with windows or anything.. either bugg that he could shoot me thru walls, or he might be cheater (don't know if cheats like that exits)

I have couple thousend hours in this game, but still get lobbies with people that don't know how to fix tapes vs ringu and stuff...

I'm starting to get really sick of this community, it's always negative emotions involed, even from the winners side..

this MMR thing has totally destoryed the feel and fun of the game... same perks always and same tunneling way to many times...

If a casual fun horror game is what one want, this is not it.. first of all you need 500+ hours to even unlock a decent amount of characters and perks, only to have competive mindset ruin every game the higher you get...

But I guess at this point, that is seens as a "good" thing from the devs... since people have to grind so many hours before they realize it's a ######### community at the top.

Because it’s not really a necessary feature it’s a convenience so inevitably you have to work within the limits of what you have and what’s available.

I am OCE region and I don't see it that often but I have been playing on NA servers quite a lot lately and I must say you guys have a lot more shameless tunnelling than we do, so I can see if you are in NA you may feel tunnelling is out of control.

I really hope BHVR does start to deal with this, comp players say it will ruin comp but I do not care what they want as they are not the majority of the playerbase.

Tunnelling should be made very difficult to get an advantage from, as it ruins the game for so many casuals

Disingenuous oh please there was time when games had no tutorials and not even any manuals and we all got along fine.

Just play the game.

Oh god, no that is very different.

Are you really equating systems in place to allow people with an inability to play something due to unchangeable physical limitation to those whom are simply unwilling to learn something they are completely capable of learning simply because there isn't a tutorial.

Those are two very different things.

To equate them in any way is to insult people who genuinely need those tools. Mindfulness sometimes backfires when thoughtlessly used as a weapon in an unrelated discussion.

To the quoted response at hand, which is my being "disingenuous" by offering up options for someone to learn map layout within the current tools available.

I'm guessing that the person in question doesn't really know what disingenuous means. Which is evident from their reply.

So I stand by my point that its possible to learn map layout playing killer in custom games and its the only option at the moment. So if they want to learn map layout then play some killer in custom games. If they need a 3rd person view then Chucky is currently the only option for them. If they don't want to buy chucky then yeah that sucks but its what they have to work with... a point that is simply pragmatic and in no way disingenuous.

As evidenced in the reply below. I didn't saying anything about skill all I did was point out the tools currently available to do what they wanted which was learn map layout.

If the point is that "there is no excuse for there to be no custom game mode to practice as survivor" then well.... Tutorials are a convenience not a necessity.

I've tried to get people to play Killer but they don't want to put up with the harassment and BMing. So I've tried both ways (Killer and Survivor) and neither has worked. DbD is not really new player friendly.

I just had a solo match against a Doctor, that hard tunneled the weakest player out (he wouldn't chase anyone that could loop for more than ten seconds). Then proceeded to patrol gens for the rest of the match. We managed to get two players out, but it took about half an hour to do.

Tunneling is the most anti-social way of playing the game. Targeting one survivor whilst ignoring everyone else, and forcing survivors into matches that last much longer than anyone wants to be there. I could have played three fun games in the time it took to get through that one awful match.

I really hope the DS change is strong enough to make what I described as a losing strategy. Bullying the weakest survivor out of the game and holding the remaining players in a thirty minute match, should not be a such an effective crutch for when your looping abilities are terrible.

I never said you hate people with disabilities just that you were inconsiderate of how you used the topic in this case.

Take the lesson, there is caring about important topics and there is trying to look like you care about important topics. Our actions and words often speak to which of these we are engaging in at the time.

Think about it and if you are going to comment, then stand by your comment. People may not agree or like my opinions and they don't have to, but I'm nothing if not direct in my points and genuine in my convictions.

We've strayed far enough from the thread topic.

In this case you did display disregard for it. Nothing you have said has changed that, only demonstrated your failure to realize it.

There is no top 5% the soft cap means average joe that's decent at video games is already there after playing for a while. It's nearly impossible to get below the cap once you're there as well.

What was the purpose of making that point in this context though?

Think about it what bearing does that point have on the conversation at all?

It’s completely irrelevant to the discussion.

It implied by saying that tutorials aren’t a necessity in gaming that I would also have to believe that accessibility option aren’t either. A gross assumption and when called on that assumption they simply non-committedly back-pedalled on it.

Which funnily enough was an example of disingenuousness that was relevant to the topic. It’s why I pressed the issue because I’d thought that’s what we’d get.

The point is tutorials not being a thing is completely different from accessibility options not being a thing. They aren’t the same.

To imply they are is to insult people who need accessibility options.