The Pale Rose (Backwater Swamp)

Dock can still spawn old jungle gym with 2 windows which is weird. (Tbf im not sure if this was changed)

Other than that, i feel like its in good spot

sooo many deadzones, weird little things you get stuck on, too much grass, if rng is bad you barely have any loops. But main buildings are mostly fine

Sometimes the middle can spawn no fillers and that makes traversing the map while in chase not a viable option, forcing survivors to stay at the same loops and holding W if hit (very boring for both sides). The map having slopes make some killers unviable and some too strong

Again, heavily RNG dependent. Which "side" it is is dependent on RNG. Mid map can just be a complete dead zone or you can get some decent RNG with main into log and into some solid fillers. I do enjoy the main a lot when the RNG suits it. The mini boat window as Trapper can't be trapped on the outer side which frustrates me every single time I play this map as him.

It's so easy to get rid of resources in first 3-4 minutes as a killer, i rarely lose here. Also there should be more lockers, probably one of the worst map for the killers who rely on it.

Upd: it also has stupid spawn, where shack window spawns not far from a lying tree window, and you can easily win 2 minutes just by pressing spacebar, even bamboozle can't do anything with it.

It is a map with pretty hefty RNG, especially on Steam Boat.

The downstairs have 3 spots to have a Pallet. 2 of them are very inside of it and are relatively fine. However, the last one is a god Pallet spawn so go figure. The upstairs part is alright I guess, although the parts with roof are a deadzone to Skull Merchant's Drones.

The Shrimp Boat is pretty awkward to move around, even though it has pretty weak window. It's more of a navigational problem.

Already shared problems with Pier in Grim Pantry's comment so I won't repeat myself here.

I dont think this map favors killers or survivors-- its just all around outdated and feels really bad to play.

Pretty unfun map to play, mainly due to RNG. Sometimes the entire middle area is empty, sometimes there are multiple filler loops. Sometimes you get a poglog next to shack. Gen distribution is mostly okay. Killer prop logic is absolutely not okay. There are some extremely awful spawns for plague fountains, jigsaw boxes, the hatch, etc. The elevation on this map is also extremely not on okay on killers like artist and nemesis.

I don't mind the main building that much, it's pretty safe until the pallets are gone. The small boat has some bad collision, particularly when survivors are working on a gen, it blocks the path of anyone trying to pass.

Overall, this map is in desperate need of an overhaul to modernize it and make it smaller

For me personally, I love the feature of the Boat Horn once that generator completes. I wish more maps would have such memorable Generators

"Look who's ######### in the tall grass? " - Ash Williams

Looking forward to the Realm Beyond rework on Swamp maps! (After that, can you start the next realm beyond where you adjust fog, lighting, atmosphere on all maps??)

Pale Rose as a map is okay, doesn’t favor one side too much I guess. Main being a ship with the horn on gen completion is nice! It’s missing some more wet/slimy/grimy look in general.

edges and corners feel weird with the spawns but I do like the different levels on swamp map so that the map doesn’t feel like a literal plane and a bit more natural

A lot of what I posted about Grim Pantry regarding edge-map totem spawns and generators, visual design, and elevation changes also applies to this map, so I'll keep this post a bit shorter.

Overall, I don't feel like Pale Rose favors either side, and this map is better than Grim Pantry overall. The big issue with this map is just how RNG-prone it is. The center area can have plenty of resources for survivors, or have very little to work with. The jungle gym in the corner can be really strong, or it can be one of the weakest kinds and it's the only one on the map so there aren't other jungle gyms elsewhere that make up for that area being strong or weak.

This map could also use a few more lockers in the areas that don't have them.

Additionally (and this applies to Grim Pantry too, I forgot to mention it for that map) having killer objects like Plague fountains in the corners/edges of the map is just awful.

The map is one of those that combines massive dead zones with quite busted structures... You usually have very few pallets, however you have the boat, which is probably one of the strongest structures in the game, in combination with with some pog logs that can be used for some time, but besides those, the smaller boat and the dock the rest of the map just feels empty, sure there are some pallets here and there, but you will chew through them rather fast, as the killer most of the time will just abandon chase when you reach the big boat because of how strong it is, therefore drying out the middle area and leaving it to be a big dead zones... This results in even more ore running which only works against lower mobility killers.

I would say the map needs some windows in the middles so you don't have a complete dead zone there and maybe a re balance of the big boat, so it is playable and not a complete waste of time for the killer.

I still gave it a balanced, depending on the playstyle...as killer you can hold a 3 Gen in the dried out area and as survivor you can always run to the boat or the dock if the killer allows it... So depending on how the game goes it can go both ways.

this map is outdated, its unevenness make artist useless. Its objects make nemesis zombies useless cause they stuck on everything. Need rework ASAP

This map is, in my opinion, one of the most rng-affected maps in the entire game.

I can't say it favors Killers because most killers (not counting the ones that either have insane mobility or ignore pallets), depending on pallet rng, will struggle if the map decides that theres 10 pallets mere meters from each other, each of them safe. Not to mention main building being strong and some older loops still being present in this map and tall grass creating good hiding spots in plain sight.

Yet I also can't say it's really Survivor-sided because, depending on rng, almost the entire middle area can be a deadzone and it's one of the strongest maps for totems since most are actually well-hidden and/or in a far corner which greatly reduces the chance of a potential Hex totem to be cleansed. Not to mention the abundant tall grass makes some Killers stronger than they are in other maps (Trapper, Hag, Chucky, Skull Merchant to some extent etc.).

I'd say it's mostly balanced but rng can have slightly more effect on Killers than Survivors and weaker/M1 Killers can have some serious trouble in main building and tall grass.

Quite frankly it mostly just needs a bit of tall-grass-trimming and more spread out tiles to really be balanced. Also a bit of a visual makeover to follow the other realms would be nice.

Strange pallet rng can create huge deadzones in the centre of the map which is a pain

This map and realm needs a graphic update to finish the Realm Beyond update. This map in terms of gameplay can go either way depending on the rng. It has some of my favorite spawning structures that I wish spawned in other realms, the PogLog. Similar to the other swamp map I feel that the outside rim of the map needs to be made more interactive instead of being a wasted opportunity for purely hiding or running to a corner to die in.

This map playing shorter killers is horrible. Besides that It's all luck based.

Maps way too big just in general waste a lot of time as killer who doesn't have mobility or teleporting power I think the map just needs to be toned down a little

I don’t remember which version of backwater swamp it is, but there is a small building near main building that when you down somebody inside that little building that has the pallet directly above you upstairs, there’s no way to get out of that building to go hook the survivor especially if you’re downstairs.

The generator has to be completed for any of the metal doors to open up. so it’s really annoying if someone has boil over in there and you go to pick the survivor up but then you have to walk all the way upstairs if you can get around all the crap in your way and fall off the side of the building to put them on the hook but of course they’re going to get out so the other choices go down the backside of the ramp and go around the building building to hook them but the time you do that they’re out too.

Backwater Swamp has the WORST collision and the WORST hook spawns of all game (specialyl white hooks). Outside of this, i think the Pale Rose is pretty fine.