I genuinely want a Dev explanation for the PTR Huntress changes

The struggle of beginner players is definitely one of the issues, yes, but Huntress is still heavily map reliant. This buff makes it so 1) Newer players have more learning room (while at the same time, veteran Huntresses won't notice too much of a difference) and 2) Huntress is now less map reliant because you can use your hatchet at more tight loops or on maps where there are a lot of obstructions.

Of course this will make her more reliable across the board, but it's a nice change considering that otherwise, a lot of the maps turn you into a slower m1 killer

They always gotta watch pig closely 🤣🤣 poor girl is always on dbds watchlist. Any chance they get and bam. 💥 nerfed lol

She didn't need any buffs, but the only egregious thing was the speed while holding a hatchet. With that being reverted, I don't really any issue.

Still odd that they identified her as needing buffs at all, though.

Basekit infantry belt is more than "QoL" for sure considering it was one of her best addons. It's not going to be realistic to dodge 7 hatchets basekit.

Tbf its been a while since I read that wall of text so ill just respond to that point by point

6.0m/s is a high base speed but I feel like if you just set the speed to this (no need to ramp since this is already what it ramps to) then played around with duration depending on the map you could create a much more comfortable middle ground for getting a down in frenzy if you play right and survivors don't but not have it be guaranteed on a smaller map, if you could come up with some sort of mechanic that makes duration longer on bigger maps that might be a good change

I think the power gauge currently pauses while vaulting a window or pallet but pausing while kicking a gen or breakable wall would be a niche change that doesn't really fit the power well so maybe just make it something fun like if you attack a generator during feral frenzy it begins regressing and extends your power duration by 1s (net loss of 0.5s and its not a 5% loss due to a kick so its not a regression event)

Changing how it works with oblivious could open up more perk diversity for legion, usable perk wise hysteria and plaything would be kind of nutty so this would need to be tested since you can easily find and harass survivors without them being able to hear you coming making tunneling decently stronger since legions detection is stronger and his potential to double back and fatigue on a survivor who doesn't expect it.

No reason to hide blood during feral frenzy because if you are going for a hit on an injured survivor the reward is much less so making it easier makes sense. Legion having fatigue like nurse makes no sense a normal cooldown seems fine.

Changing legions movement speed after frenzy to be 2.3m/s and ramping up to be 4.6m/s means on average during the fatigue animation the legion will move at 3.45m/s and the survivor will gain... 1.5m, yeah this one isn't way too balanced since distance wise unless they have something within 12m of where you ended your frenzy and use it immediately they go down since you lunge right after it ends and hit them. So this one is probably way too overturned.

Addon changes aren't bad / are already in the game but recharging power on breaking a pallet / wall is kind of the direct upgrade to recharging power on a stun since you can use it in a similar way so maybe something like decreasing stun recovery while in frenzy by like 33% (not stacking because it would be silly with enduring) the only reason I say this is because I think it would be interesting of the mixtape addons had more synergy with each other because you know legion, group of people who kill together and the fact people might stack more of the addons that change their music tracks

Thank you for the addon consideration but I still have an issue with the movement speed part

The problem with changing the fatigue speed is just the math behind it, if you make it ramp linearly from 2.3m/s to 4.6m/s during that 2.7s the same math still applies the average speed would be 3.45m/s during that 2.7s (aka while you might be moving 2.3m/s for ~0.1s 2.4m/s for ~0.1s ect the average speed still ends up being 3.45m/s once you average it all out) meaning a survivor would only gain 1.5m during your fatigue slowdown and then during that last 0.3s end up 1.3m away before you can swing, while it might make the power more fluid it just ends up creating a different gameplay loop / killer instead of it being a quality of life, since one of the best ways to play would be cancel on top of a survivor and if they aren't on a pallet or at a window you instantly down them as opposed to gaining ~6m like current fatigue does considerably changing the killer because a ~11s window to react (fatigue time + time to catch back up) becomes more like a ~4s window to react now of course this doesn't count anywhere they might travel with a speed burst or while you catch up because things get even more complicated there.

If you make it ramp exponentially I got no clue how to do that in simple text based math but maybe it ends up being right but it might be hard to get your point across to other forums users if you give them the y=~x^2+2.3 (0,2.3) to (2.7, 4.6)

A better change for it would just be to reduce fatigue time since you are just back to 4.6m/s faster or increase the movement speed while in fatigue directly rather than creating a ramping speed if you want to have solid numbers to rely on for how much of a buff you think it needs.

I would be very surprised if all the buffs on the PTB make it to live servers. But either way, I am honestly not sure why they decided to buff Huntress anyway and even Huntress main friends viewed this as a bit of a '#########... why?' decision

Huntress has a worse kill rate, and was nerfed by the map changes (increased amount of clutter) way more than Legion.

Also, Legion's rush M2 has downsides because it has full unrestricted mobility.

Spirit doesn't have the same downsides as Legion specifically because survivors are invisible when Spirit is phasing. That's a huge downside. And killers like Blight and Oni don't have the same downsides as Legion because they have restricted mobility with their rushing powers.

The giant map changes, where way more clutter was added to the maps, which often breaks line of sight, really did affect Huntress a lot. It doesn't matter if she's a free killer, she still got a big performance hit from the map changes.

The map changes are the same reason why Billy and Trickster got buffs, because they were also largely affected by the increased clutter.

You don’t have to try at all at high wall loops of small rock loops. Just hold W and force the m1. If they ready the hatchet you keep holding W and get an extra 3 loops because she’s 110.