DBD is dying?

Tunneling can be countered by making chases take too long to be worth it.

Camping can be countered by hook trading close to the end of the current hook stage.

They aren't infallible strategies, but too many survivors don't know how to properly deal with them.

But the problem you have is not with the killer, it is with the developers for allowing the tactic to exist. Personally i would love it if they rebalanced the game around hooks and chases instead of kills. But that would mean eliminating tunneling and camping, but also they need to slow down survivors in some way. The point though is people need to stop looking at people using tactics to win. If you don't like those tactics your anger is misplaced.

this is nitpicking, the player cannot select whose incompetence or malice they wish to suffer, all they are facing is the end result. Furthermore, if your point is that killers should always have a comfortable way to 4K with some effort (because they either have to tunnel to get there, or the game needs to last long enough to make it possible), then you are not looking for solutions.

So let me spell it out, tunneling and camping from the victim's proint of view removes their fair chance to feel victorious. To escape. If you are only fine with changes if survivors still dont have a fair chance, then your opinion reflects something else. This means to have a reasonable chance for any survivor to escape in the end. Following your suggestion to rebalance the game to a point where survivors still certainly die without tunneling is not desirable by anyone, and it is not a change anyone asks for. Also, i doubt that devs needs to pander to this particular mindset where "they need to do this before they do that", .. because why? you said so?

Yes the game balance is on the developers, but your opinion is a bit strange as well - saying they need to slow down the game in exchange seems to suggest you still don't want survivors to have a reasonable chance, you would only be okay with a different timeline that leads to their loss.

I get a lot of SA killers on NA vpning very unfun experience and they definitely have interesting playstyles like mass slugging then going afk

I think you are missing some information.

Basically, the way the game is designed, at a high level, it is not possible to not tunnel. Survivors outrepair you when there are 4 of them. So you have to eliminate someone as fast as possible. Typically, against good teams, your first down means you will lose 2-3 gens. Against bad teams, it is differnet. But the point being is. Against low tier survivors, tunneling is hard to deal with and frustrating to play against. Against top tier teams, it is required. So, make tunneling literally NOT POSSIBLE. Not nerf it, not discourage it, i mean literally make it fundamentally impossible to do, and then do SOMETHING to slow the game down so that at a high level killers will still be able to compete.

If your queueing up with literal new players you are harming their experience, because you are forcing them to get matched with killers above their skill level.

If you want people that you respond to to actually read your post, I suggest you use the "Quote" option in the future. Otherwise they're not notified of your response. It was pure luck I stumbled upon this.

This is not toxic. If that was the definition of a toxic player (someone that plays in a way that leaves you no chance), then it would also be toxic, if your oponent was just way better than you. I can play perkless on whatever killer you want I'd still beat a group of beginners with no issue. Because they simply haven't learned how the game works yet while I have 3 years of experience under my belt.

Apart from that, tunneling and camping can be countered. Admittedly, the counters available aren't great but it's not like you absolutely cannot win. You can loop the killer so long, that they won't tunnel you because they can't down you 3 times before the gens are done, you can use DS and OTR and your team mates can take hits for you. For camping there are perks like Reassurance and Camaraderie as well as the option to force an unhook (works against every though it requires a lot more effort against Bubba).

Toxic behaviour is anything with the sole purpose of making someone else miserable. For example hitting people on hook repeatedly, bleeding survivors out and watching them die for no apparent reason (there are situations in which you don't have a choice), flashlight macros (although they were patched out), excessive teabagging, harassment in end game chat etc.

They don't give you any advantage during the game, so the only reason you'd do that is to make someone else feel miserable.

Good pont. I missed that. But that could also be a bug or a laggy connection. This is not enough to know, if he was actually cheating.

There are a lot of possibilities how he could have known you would be in the basement. Experienced killers usually have a pretty good idea where survivors are at any given point. There are only so many places they would go after all.

Freddy also has addons that grant him the killer instinct on survivors after his teleport. So he could have teleported and found you that way. Apart from that, there also a lot more perks than only A Nurse's Calling that would reveal your aura to him. I don't know what perks he used exactly, so I can only assume that this is a possibility.

Then of course, he also might have noticed you played Sable. Who has 3 perks that are all tied to the basement. So he could have made an educated guess on where he would find you. Especially if he had checked a few spots he was sure to find survivors to no success.

Bold of you to assume you know how I play. Especially since you couldn't be further from the truth. Mostly I go out of my to hook everyone twice before I get a kill. But I can't expect this of everyone else. This doesn't happen normally. In fact, it's more likely you'll have someone dead at about 5-6 hooks, if you don't count hook stages. Simply because you know where to go after an unhook and you're likely to find the same survivor again.

Regarding that Pig player, I have no idea why she would do that. At first I assumed she might not have had a hook nearby but that was wrong. So I conclude that this was indeed done to make you miserable, which is toxic.

Well if I don't bring them in the game with me they wont play at all. So my point being is fix tunneling and more people will play the game. As a player you want a huge player count and the company to make as much money as possible and see as much growth as possible.

The issue is you are expecting new players to enjoy playing way above their skill level. "Fixing" tunneling wouldn't solve the fundamental issue that people need to learn to play against other players close to their skill level. Throwing them into the fire doesn't help them.

Okay so you don't want new players to the game is what your saying? Because if the tunneling was gone they would have a chance to learn the game.

No you dont when I play fps games or any mmo I can play for more then 2 min with my friends without having to wait 15 min. I play ranked mw3 and get to play more then 2 minutes when I que with my friends that are crimson and I got against try hards.

Right so now you start linking content creators. And here is where we are gonna get into a debate.

I have no problem with these content creators, in fact, i watch several of these. But, even these content creators will admit they don't play at the highest level because scott for example memes around a lot, so he isn't high mmr. Same with Coconut. Who is memeing around with orbital huntress right now instead of actually trying to win. They are playing against entirely different kind of survivors then what i go against.

Now do the same thing, and watch someone like tru3ta1ent, who, even right now, is starting to play more chill. But in the past, he did everything he could to win, and the matches he ends up and the survivors he goes against show it.

But at any rate. This isn't going to result in what you think it will. So no point in debating at this point. I think we should just agree to disagree.

This video doesn't help your point. It was not a tournament but a showcase. The difference is that you do not want to focus on winning by using the same strategies as always but by utilising the power to the best of your ability. Eveb then, he lost 2 of the 3 games shown and the last game, where he actually did win was on a favorable map where he also killed someone at 5 hooks.

The survivors were also limited even more than in comp games and even there killers tunnel:

Just go through these matches and look at how many hook stages it takes for the first survivor to die.

It shows how people in comp play. Which is what players try to adopt. This is exactly what it shows and it's a reflection of the average dbd game right now. Tunneling, tunneling and more tunneling.

The rules of the tournament don't matter to show exactly what's important here. Killers will tunnel, if they are allowed to do it. It's that simple.

I found the rules in a pinned comment under this video. This is the same tournament.

12 | Loadouts and Balancing

Every player has to create their loadout by following the rules and restrictions in this ruleset and the balance specifications in the Discord server.

The listed offerings are obligatory to bring. If there is a choice between two, the killer must bring one.

No penalty will be applied if an offering does not influence the match layout (e.g. a map offering). Aura/location showing offerings are considered a balance offense, except for a Basement Offering on a map where the basement is consistently in the exact location.

If a team brings a lower rarity on med-kits or toolboxes (items and add-ons), they will not be punished. This does not apply to the sports flashlight.

13 | Killer - Additional Rules:

The killer is the lobby’s host and is responsible for setting the correct map and the correct killer for that set. According to Rule 7, a Tier I penalty will be applied against the team if failed.

You may not block the pathway of a survivor for more than 10 seconds. The timer starts when the killer takes the position to block the pathway. The timer ends when the killer leaves the position of the blocked pathway and allows the survivors to pass through that spot. Offending this rule results in a Tier I-III penalty.

Clarification: A location with multiple entrances is not addressed with this rule. For example, Blocking a shack entrance for more than 10 seconds is allowed. Once the Endgame Collapse is active, this rule no longer applies.

An open hatch has to be closed within 5 minutes. A violation results in a Tier III penalty.

14 | Survivor - Additional Rules:

After the last generator has been completed, the survivors must attempt to open the gates within 9 minutes. A violation results in a Tier III penalty.

Survivors are not allowed to open chests. A fully opened chest results in a forfeit of this set.

All survivors have to play different characters. Violating this rule results in a Tier I penalty.

Survivors are not allowed to attempt a self-unhook (Kobe). The self-unhook is permitted if the perk Deliverance is ready to be used. A successful self-unhook (not with Deliverance) during the game results in disqualification. A non-successful self-unhook attempt with an impact on the match leads to the same consequences.

Particular ruling: Speeding up death when all survivors have been hooked is allowed. If a successful self-unhook happens under these conditions, the survivors are not allowed to move and can’t make any attempts to escape, and they can also not use any perks. When allowing an immediate re-hook, no penalty will be applied. Otherwise, the rule above applies.

I found that this rule set was copied from DBDLeague as stated in the Discord.

Maybe so. Maybe not. I know that I am not playing on that level (I also don't tunnel) but for everyone else? How the hell should I know? Or anyone for that matter. Most of us think they're way better than they actually are and some popular content creators make this even worse. Because they are considered top MMR when they clearly display that they have no idea how to play some killers. Sadako is a good example of that. I am pretty sure I am not allowed to call out any player in specific, so I won't go into further detail and simply hope you get the reference.

It doesn't matter though. What does matter is that tunneling is the more effective way to play the game. So naturally players will adopt that play style. After all, it allows them to win more, which is what most are focussed on. Do you see survivors running around doing dull totems and chests all the time? I certainly don't. And why would they, if they want to win?

You said like a comp team should not have at least 2 escape.

We assume they are high MMR. We really cannot know. I mean, some of the survivors they play against really aren't all that impressive and it's clear that at least some of them have no clue about certain killers either.

And when you watch games in which they really want to win (mostly streaks), they do tunnel.

Also, please explain why comp DBD is a "completely different game". It's the same game just with different players and rules. Tunneling works in both settings and it's pretty easy to pull off, which is why it's imitated.

This seems very unlikely given what the developers themselves have stated (player distribution across MMR is shaped like a bell curve - few people on the extremes, most in the middle). And no offense to you but I reckon that they have more knowledge on the matter than either of us.

Enlighten me.