What did i do to deserve that?

I'd argue that it is unusual to make up disparaging scenarios about random players just playing the game.

They could very well be bad/new at billy and/or struggle at high mmr.

Whoopdee.

Okay I appreciate your comment and no worries in that case.

I thought it was pretty common knowledge that the quick/6 second switch was BM but that could just be my misconception here.

But thanks again for acknowledging the misunderstanding here

Gaslighting? If you decide to interpret every action someone takes in the worst possible light and never consider possible reasons for why they might do it, then you are just giving yourself excuses to behave however you feel like.

From a different perspective, someone may need Lightborn to counter flashlights due to inexperience/limitations/etc, and may take a fast switch as their game being 'ruined.'

Someone else may be using a chill build as there are no items and get fast switched into 4 toolboxes and decide to tunnel from the get-go.

You can never know what people are thinking/why they do whatever, but they're free to think/act how they want within the confines of the game.

No sense in wondering why people do x...it's a video game, not a psychology course @_@

There are an infinite number of possibilities and reactions.

True. Trying to read into someone's behaviour is mostly pointless, especially in a computer game.

But we should limit how many free passes we give ourselves to behave in the worst way possible. People should at least take a brief moment to consider why someone might do something, before they let the ugly out. Refusing to do that is just self-centred and emotionally lazy.

You can play 100 games as killer, and every single time someone last-second switches, it will be a taunting flexer that wants to ruin your day. You would know that if you played killer. My reasoning is not unfounded.

Stepping in with a reminder to keep the discussion civil, please. Also, a reminder that the admission or encouragement of Unsportsmanlike Conduct, such as DCing, is not permitted on the Forum. Lastly, changing something last-second in a lobby (character, item, etc) is not unsportsmanlike conduct, or inherently done to cause upset. Thank you.

It's done deliberately to lower the chances of bringing lightborn or whatever perk the killer would bring otherwise.

Makes sense. Lightborn is quite the BS perk in general, but I get why its looked down upon by killers.

Still, I think its weak to say its a good reason to tunnel someone out. Its just not justified. I often level a lowbie survivor from my maxed BP so I can earn some, then get back on my current main of the day. Should I be tunneled for this?

As a killer player, I don't really care about quick switching. In fact, I usually don't even notice the lobby because I am doing builds, spending BP, or alt tabbed. However, it can be fun to chase quick switchers because I figure they are up for whatever happens. They might be the most experienced on the team and give me a good chase.

In this case, I don't think it was the quick switch.

1) You were first chased, first downed, first hooked.

2) When you got unhooked, he only saw the unhooker and you. The other two people were in the basement.

3) You were now injured and the other guy wasn't. If I didn't find anyone else, I would chase you too.

4) When you went down the next time, the invocation spell had finished.

5) After the unhook he was down two gens and an invocation. With three gens left and you on death hook, he needed to take you out of the game.

6) Your team flocked in to protect you, and did exactly what he wanted. He got huge pressure, many injured/downed, and nobody on gens.

7) Hitting on hook silences the ear-piercing survivor scream.

That's it really. I play about 50/50 killer and survivor and 90% of the time it isn't personal. I'm just trying to achieve my goals, just like the other players. I chase who I see, but I will tunnel if I feel it will put me in a better position. 🤷‍♂️

Edit: In this case though it certainly looks like you were trying to troll with a BM quickswitch. Your build is all about blinding/stunning/slowing the killer. It looks like you wanted to have killer interactions, and he obliged. 👍️

Oh I know. I have more respect for those that just outright admit they do it because they want. But I wasn't asking for justification. I don't really care.

My issue, and its the only issue, is its all I see anymore. Its all anyone see's anymore. Tunneling being as common as it is is unhealthy for the game. I acknowledge players want to play how they want, but currently its causing more harm than good imo. In many others opinions. That's all I am ever saying :)

Counterpoint on lightborn. Flashlights are also bs when played to the max. Like many things in this game both flashlights and lightborn are part of the toxic arms race.

If you don’t have lightborn and a survivor deliberately goes down in the open with no walls to face, you literally cannot pick them up or make progress outside of slugging which as we know is awful to go against. Perks like background player have only made this easier. Yes one or two players are wasting time waiting for the pick up and the killer can try and fake it and hit them too, but again you get a lot of time especially with background player to make the save. Further only one person needs to be doing gens to progress the game for survivors and you only really need one person to make a guaranteed save. Having two is simply safety.

Having lightborn in this scenario prevents this nonsense and ultimately makes the game run more smoothly for those not looking to ruin the flow of it and laugh at the stupid killer who can’t make progress. However there are innocent uses to flashlights too and some quests outright require you to blind the killer to progress them which can’t be done if the killer has light born. Also there is a skill in picking someone up and evading the light but it’s very easy to go down in a spot that makes this impossible.

Niche scenario or no it doesn't matter. The fact there is no good counterplay to this aside from slugging should be enough of a reason for cause of concern. The only reason it isn't common is because lightborn exists to automatically deny it and more importantly it requires the coordination of two preferably three people to do it.

I honestly think getting into the complexities of why this is bad is a waste of time and results in way too much text.

I'll just make a simple comparison to what flashlights played optimally are like from the survivor side. 3 gen skull merchant as she used to be. Survivors cannot progress the game, but neither can the killer. It's a complete stalemate. Granted not as bad because in the 3 survivors trying to stop the killer making progress will still eventually end the game because 1 person will finish all the gens but it is very similar and equally frustrating to be on the receiving end of, if not worse for the killer because victory is absolutely impossible unless the survivors really screw up. Chances are survivors will choose the map too to make this even stronger. 3 gen merchant could be broken too I suppose but it was horrible to go up against.

As for your direct question on Lightborn. It is a necessary evil. I dislike the perks existence because it doesn't interact well with inexperienced players who don't know how flashlights work. I also find it uninteractive because flashlights are 100% useless rather then being reduced in effectiveness or something similar. For example, it could still blind a killer but would not cause them to drop their survivor. I still wouldn't like it, but at least blinding at pallets would still be a valid use.

However without Lightborn (and Franklins demise another perk I dislike) survivors doing unbeatable flashlight strategies would rise up in usage massively and SWF escape rates would skyrocket. On top of that, slug builds for killers would also skyrocket. I don't see a good outcome to this.

Yeah I actually retyped this post a lot because I've been accused of being too long winded. Which drives me nuts because people then say 'well what about this'. It's even worse when the what about this is ACTUALLY in the post and people don't read. People want simple solutions and answers to incredibly complex problems... ugh...

So in previous versions I actually did mention blinds as a whole which included flashbang and blast mine. Blast mine still stuns so most of it's value is still there. The counter argument though is that if none of the things lightborn counters are there it's dead weight. Which is worse for killer then survivor because survivors collectively get 16 perks. Killers only get 4.

I generally dislike the whole relationship flashlights and lightborn have.