To survivors that hate bleeding out
Isn't it annoying when the killer does that? It's toxic and you feel like your time is just being wasted. Rest assured, I agree, it's really lousy behavior.
Agreed? Good?
Now that that is settled maybe consider leaving once in a while once the gates are open. Making me wait out the entire EGC while you vault spam is literally the same thing.
Something to consider.
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To killers that hate exit gate spamming.
Isn't it annoying when the survivor does that? It's toxic and you feel like your time is just being wasted. Rest assured, I agree, it's really lousy behavior.
Agreed? Good?
Now that that is settled maybe consider not slugging to bleedout once in a while. Making me wait out the entire bleedout timer while you hump me on the ground is literally the same thing.
Something to consider.
Alternatively, you can consider that both sides have problems to deal with, and making false equivalences and sparking more us vs them debate rather than appreciating that time wasting without easy exit is frustrating regardless of what mode you queued up for.
Think about it idk.
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A killer cant be forced by anyone but themselves waiting out the EGC.
Go push them out, no uproar needed.
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The game isn't counting bleed-outs as kills, so it's really a loss for the killer when it happens.
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Some people find it embarrassing to lose instead of treating it like a normal part of any competition.
That's why bad sportsmanship affects them.so deeply and for so long.
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Very much agree that both sides can do some annoying, frustrating, and/or toxic things and it'd be nice if people were a bit more considerate on either side of the game.
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Congratulations! You have discovered the circular argument. I'm very proud of you.
Also your last paragraph was the whole point of my original post regarding time wasting b.s in game, though I wouldn't call my example a false equivalence so much as an actual equivalence and you failed to actually address what I said beyond the ever tiresome "both sides".
There was no "us vs them" in my original post either, but here's some.
IS IT MORE COMMON FOR SURVIVORS TO GET BLED OUT OR MAKE THE KILLER WAIT OUT THE ENTIRE EGC TIMER?
It's a simple question, which is more common in-game?
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I can only agree with that
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Yeah can we not make this a us vs them bs? Both things suck and should not be in game that's it
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Bad sportsmanship should affect everyone deeply, its rude and only works, because of the anonymity of the internet as a cover allows people to live out their base character traits.
I want the general killer perk "Just Leave" so bad and would equip it on every killer first slot permanently, because I am so sick of the exit gates shennanigans. Yeah, both sides can be aweful to the other side, but the ammount of BMing that a typical killer gets subjected to in any casual game stands in no proportion to the ammount of times that survivors are left on the ground to bleed out. And I am not talking about "they crawled into a dead zone repeatedly".
Scott Jund had a pretty good idea for a bleed out mechanic: when downed for 5-10s the survivors can hit "E" and enter desperation mode. They now crawl at double speed, but also bleed out at 400%. Its much faster, but not so fast that you would do it on a whim as a rage quit, and even if you did it you might still reverse the effect by shutting it down. And it can also be used as another layer of strategy to crawl far enough away that the killer loses the survivor in normal slugging situations. The delay is there so that SWF can't abuse it easily to crawl under the next pallet asap.
On the killer side I would wish for the aformentioned perk "Just Leave"
Just Leave, general killer perk. Effect: when loitering at the exit gates for longer then 15s, the gates get blocked by The Entity when the survivor tries to leave and the survivor gets exposed untill they move 42m away from the exit gates. The killer gets killer instinct while the survivors are exposed. I would also love to get the option to mori the survivors at the exit area, even with no mori equipped, but I would be happy with the other effects. This perk could work sorta like Blood Warden, just the danger of it existing would change survivor behaviour and make many of them leave when they have won, without wasting everyones time by loitering at the exit gates, just so that they can rub their victory.
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Do you not think that the fact an argument can be so easily reversed, and that it's therefore fairly tautological, is a weakness in the argument?
Also, as for which is more common, I raise 2 points. Firstly, that it depends on which side you play more, and secondly that for every killer there are 4 survivors, so four times the chance of encountering the behaviour even if there are equal amounts.
Finally, I'd like to point out that it's entirely possible to chase a survivor out of the exit gate. There's no option for survivors to speed up their 4 minute bleedout timer.
I agree with the general principle here, both are frustrating forms of BM that ideally wouldn't occur. But I don't think this post particularly has the capacity to spark insightful discussion on the manner when it's both as tautological and adversarial in framing as it is.
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It's not the same at all though. As killer you have the agency to direct your camera towards the gate with your input device of choice, then pressing W or tilting the left stick forwards to make the survivors stop wasting your time. Last I checked survivors can't crawl to a hook and hook themselves.
I totally agree both are wastes of time that should have shortcuts to bypass them mechanically (button in the basement to eject all survivors in any state that isn't sacrificed, mori'd or bled out already + some way for survivors to hook themselves with no chance to kobe or be saved- both end game only and in NO way useful as kill-securing or play-setup tools of course). But acting like they're directly compareable when one gives the opposing player the agency to end it and the other doesn't just isn't it.
"But they'll tbag at the gate!" okay, cool. EGC is a thing and the unstoppable timer putting a hard cap on match length will put an end to it. It's even shorter than a full bleedout too!
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I hate when survivors do that but TBF i can force them out or look for breakable pallets while they do that
But when Killers do that, there's literally nothing i can do, i am dependent on the whim of someone else
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Yep there absolutly should be a bleed out button and a throw them out button. Letting survs bleed out for fun is vile and no one can defend it.
I hate that the most common answer to killers is that they should push them out. That's the one thing they want you to do and the sole reason why they stick around So thanks for acknowledging that both is stupid
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That’s not true I bled out 4 survivors after they tried protecting an exploiting player and I pipped up. Granted they kept getting up with perks but I did still pip.
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Some people don't want to watch the survivors be toxic and teabag at the gates while you can do nothing about it just to call you racial slurs in the endgame chat.
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The bleed out button is a good idea in certain situations. In the event of all survivors are downed and there is no perks to get up available. In all the other situations there is a way to save the fallen teammate. If the option is available in other ways then there might be more early departures leaving the survivor team early. The programming could be adjusted so if a survivor bled out via button it was the same as a sacrifice. This too could lead to a slug meta though. So it is hard to find a fix.
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Hard to take this sentiment seriously when:
You can chase them out or afk until egc ends
You can turn off end game chat
You can report bigotry and violence
Trash talk and taunting your opponent is a fun bonus to any PVP gamewhich is why most devs support it within reason.
Obviously overdoing it or being violent/bigoted is not okay but these are already against the rules and punished. So I don't see the problem aside from again, people getting embarrassed by losing.
I think these games would be quite boring if player interaction was neutered to forced positivity.
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This only makes sense if the survivor being bled out also spams vaults and waits out the EGC timer.
It's a very broad assumption, and the whole tit-for-tat argument is rather childish anyway, because odds are the vault spammers are not the same as those being bled out.
Maybe this is a bait post though. If so, kudos for getting a reply! If not, best revise the statement.
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So you deliberetely waste your own time for not giving the survivor a brief moment of attention? Couldnt be more unreasonable.
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You're talking to the playerbase like it's rational beings doing these things.
I had survivors in a match last night who basically refused to do gens. I got tired of waiting, killed 3 of them, and figured the last one could have the hatch. He noise spammed for five minutes trying to bring me over while I instead chose to mess with the blood droplet. Rather than taking his free escape, he disconnected, and then the bot immediately jumped through the hatch.
Who does that?! DbD players, that's who.
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Anything in game that people consider toxic is a "YOU" problem, it's only negative on you if you allow it to be , anything in game is fair but the end game chat I agree can overstep some boundaries, both roles have ways of being ######### this is a horror game where people are dying in game , I would argue if something non verbal in game bothers someone so much then they don't have a healthy mental state to be playing a game like this in the first place and should consider that stuff like that is only an issue if you take a video game that's meant for fun and make it extremely personal for yourself instead of laughing it off or returning the favor
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okey but then every form of bm gets a free pass right?
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you know i play online games now for most of my life but to this day i never met someone that could give me a good arguemtn why its so important for so many players to act like a jerk to there oponent when they had a fair fight sore winner or what?
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Yep as long as you're not trying to tell someone to hurt themselves in the end game chat or being unreasonably rude to someone in endgame chat because you lost then everything else is fair game, I've been camped while bled out, camped on hook, bagged until I bled out. I've been against flashlight death squads with macro clicking and t bagging, no mither Sabo squads back when that was actually a thing, etc... I've had people be toxic in every way imaginable to me and I'm still right here, not once have I went to the extremes of acting childish in chat for it either
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that is pretty remarkable. does it never get to you? not even a tiny bit?
i mean im pretty sure im not the best person to compare cause i littraly have a impulse controlle issue but if what you say is true im really imrpessed
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Slugging to bleed out is bigger problem and more common for me. I usually force survivors out without waiting. But not always when I don't they have left more than 90% of time and only few times someone has waited the whole timer. Now I could forced them out so not like I had to wait unlike when im slugged to ground 4 minutes and can't do anything.
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It's a game , I won't allow these people to bring me down but I'm not young either I've had my whole life to get thick skin before this game came out, when I was younger I may have reacted different idk, but I'm a hippie at heart I could have someone be totally trash to me in game and I'd still be nice or even team up with them afterwards and become friends if they wanted, if someone ever bother me enough to feel a bad way about it I would just turn the game off and do something else but that hasn't happened to me yet, I get more frustrated at myself than other people sometimes
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It's hilarious to me how people act like t-bagging at the exit gate is this truly terrible and traumatic experience as they can't "face the shame and humliation" of seeing them doing it and simply pushing them out, something completely under your control by the way (Also, this post is a false equivalence strictly due to that agency).
You're playing a video game and getting real life offended over someone pressing a button... Honestly, that's a big sign that you should probably grow up or stop playing PvP games if you can't handle something as simple as that.
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What you're saying makes no sense. I didn't present a circular argument I presented a direct comparison. Almost every day I see posts from survivors about how unfun being bled out is. I directly compared it to how unfun it is to wait out the EGC as killer.
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Which you have full control over, something survivors don't when they're getting bled out. I don't understand how you think this is a direct comparison in the slightest, it is by definition not lol.
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It's not as deep as you're making it, it's just the matter of not wanting to give a poor sport the satisfaction of getting what they want.
But I agree, of course it's just a game. There's no point in seeing it as anything but entertainment, regardless of playstyle, bm or whatever.
I do hope the survivors I play for the rest of the evening feel the same.
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Because trash talk and banter are healthy byproducts of competition within reason.
I am not comfortable with people I don't know accessing my steam profile and making fun of me for my identity, so I utilize the anon mode feature so I can be comfortable playing.
I didn't ask for profile viewing to be universally banned, I used the resources available to me to resolve my personal issue. And this is my point entirely.
The devs have a responsibility to prevent bigotry and hate-related violence from being widespread in their game and community.
But the players have a responsibility to curate their game experience to tailor to their needs.
The devs are upholding their part of the bargain, so it's entirely on the people affected by losing and bagging to help themselves with what is available to them.
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Which is totally fine if you don't want to give them that satisfaction, but you're comparing two situations that aren't comparable and that's where the contention is stemming from. It's like comparing a passenger on a plane to the pilot of that plane. One has full control and one's at the mercy of someone else.
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certainly something to stive for.
i struggle with that partly cause my brain is just wired like that but thats no excuse i know that. but atleast i got rid of the ba habbit to engage in chat that was a big problem as a teen/ young adult. my temper got a bit better the closer i came to the big 30.
but still maybe you can asnwer me that question why is it that people love to do stuff like that knowing fully its just to disrespect the other person or maybe they even hope they can get to them.
that last question is for you two you have quite the big mouth maybe you can answer
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mhh is that so? i never viewed it as something that can be healthy. i mostly thought its people that are bad at either loosing or winning like the guys that need to talk for a week about how they are such a great poker player cause they won your friends game on the weekend
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I don’t do it myself so I can’t speak on it personally, but I think you answered your own question.
They more than likely do it to get a reaction out of you, they want you to get salty and upset. Just simply don’t give them that satisfaction or kill them with kindness if they start trash talking.
If you take a step back for a second and realize that you’re getting upset over someone hitting a button in a video game it is rather funny and often will change your perspective.
Don’t let other people determine your mood and feelings, they’re yours not others.
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It's only disrespect if you allow it to be personal that's my answer, I encourage you to try laughing at it next time you feel it coming and start doing things to troll back in game, be nice to those people and give them props in the endgame even if they aren't nice, you'll have way more fun while making more friends and the childish people to ignore will stick out , see it from their side that they don't know who you are you're just the entertainment for the next 5-10 minutes and it's only gonna be as much fun as you allow yourself to have, if they aren't personally insulting you in the chat why should you hate that person for having fun is my question to you?
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Once you peel away the Captain PhD rhetoric you're saying what survivors always say.
Dbd toxicity "For me, but not for thee!"
Hell for that matter I've gotten nasty messages from survivors for hitting them after hook so they stop screaming. Why? I'm only wasting my time and it's just a game, right?
It's almost as if there's something missing ........
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I’m honestly not following. Where did I ever allude to the “for me, but not for thee”? I’m simply pointing out that you made a false equivalence. I don’t condone either side intentionally trying to waste other peoples time, just pointing out that you have the option to shorten one and not the other.
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There is nothing to consider. Survivors left to bleed have no control over the situation unless they have a pick up perk. Even still, the killer is usually right by you especially when you're the last survivor so the perk won't help you. The killer can force all survivors out of the exit gate. There is literally no comparison here.
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Well, this is just silly.
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you know what?
you two actually made a diffrence today. i will certainly try to laugh about it next time it happens but i will also stick to avoiding the gate i think the people who really do it to hit you will probably get mad if i ignore them. i still think its stupid but i think you two really helped me to cope with the anger a lot and if it doesnt trigger me to beginn with my impulse issius cant jump start.
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I'm glad to hear that, I hope it makes your games more enjoyable as well.
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I’m happy to hear that! Taking this game less seriously (and by extension some things within life less seriously, within reason of course) has really helped me be a happier person. I laugh more, smile more and enjoy things (such as DbD) more!
Life is hard, so I always say to myself, why get mad at things that are out of my control, focus on what I can do better and good things will happen.
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Lot's of the things gloating survivors say aren't so easily laughed off. And no, I'm not going to "be nice" to or "kill with kindness" someone who set out to tilt and upset me as much as possible I'm playing a video game not trying to channel my inner f***ing Gandhi
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I was being hyperbolic to be fair. But in general the point is, i noticed that if i just go run to the basement or wherever and wait out the timer, i get a lot more "gg wp". Wheras, when i give in, hit them out, and they get emboldened by their ability to taunt and teabag, i get a lot more "ez baby killer".
It's just something i noticed, that if they get their "fun" at the gate, they end up being more toxic in the end.
Anecdotal for sure, its just what i personally have run into.
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Please don't listen to these clowns. Just because you play killer in DbD shouldn't mean you become an emotional punching bag.
If your kid were playing softball and a parent from the other team started yelling horrible things to tilt them would you laugh that off? Smile and say it's just a game?
Don't become a Stockholm syndrome killer, please
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Well good for you I personally don't care what they do it's not gonna make me angry, but if that what makes you enjoy the game then go for it you're just doing what they're doing to you I don't see a big deal
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So I'm a clown for not getting offended by in game BM? Endgame chat is different but if that's your definition of a clown I'd hate to see what you think of a grown man who can't even handle pixels on a screen moving up and down , and if you actually read what I wrote anything in game is fair game no matter what anyone says its not toxic i don't care if I bleed you out nodding in front of you it's only personal if you allow it to bother you that's my point , if you want to be a emotional wreck that's offended at every turn of this game be my guest
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nah buddy thats real life thats a totally diffrent buisness if you talk to my kid that way i take your jaw as a trophy.
but they are right there is no reason to rage over a game. that does not mean that i should be a punshing back you are right with that.
i still think tbagging just to get the other side to feel bad and rage is stupid and should not be tollaredet but lets be real its as old as online gaming and the best thing you can do is ignore them.
if they come at you in chat or on steam and curse you out or tell you to off yourself well thats a diffrent matter and you absolutly should not ignore them but report them
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