The problem why killers complain survivors are op

Potato killers stomp potato survivors, we all know this. However, I'd say that if the killer got zero kills until the end-game, then they were not facing potato survivors. And if the killer got a 4k from that point on, then the survivors played like crap at the end-game, for whatever reason.

Get chased for thirty seconds do a gen and hook save and boom you got a pip, both sides are easy to rank up in, if the killer had a 0k turn into a 4K because of noed then the survivors messed up. I could see you blaming remember me or blood warden but not noed.

Funny enough most of us play both sides, now I can’t speak for other killers, but noed has no place in my build and I’m usually rank 1 on both sides before reset(or at least two).

@Arroz when I started I had two things I didn’t know (1) skill check sound ping (2) I didn’t need to crouch to avoid making noise at vaults. I knew what a totem was.

I don't see the problem with NOED and I do play both sides. Two days ago I looped a Billy for 5 generators just for him to down me with NOED resulting in my death. Was I mad, annoyed, insulting him? No because it was my fault and my teams fault for not cleansing all of the totems.

NOED definitely helps killers, if that Billy didn't have NOED then I could have ran to an exit gate with my team body blocking resulting in an escape but because he had NOED no one could help me.

The reason why killers get 4ks with NOED is because survivors just play dumb and rush in for the save resulting in their deaths too. This is especially common with SWFs because they all need to escape and they wont leave until all of them are out but sometimes you just need to be selfish and leave people behind. As I previously mentioned with my Billy game, I had to suicide on the hook because I saw 3 of them running towards me and I know if I didn't suicide the killer would have gotten more than 1 kill.

Incorrect.

The reason why killers complain that survivors are OP is because there are balancing issues that still need to be addressed in this game, which to be fair both sides have their problems that need to be fixed. While this game is nothing like what it used to be and is a whole lot more enjoyable for killers than it's ever been thanks to the hard work the devs have put into updating and improving the game for both sides, there are still flaws which people rightfully complain about. NOED unlike some issues in the game can be avoided by thinking ahead and breaking the totems.

Here are the reasons why I believe killers complain from my perspective and experience ;

1 : The time in the matches can be atrocious.

I'll hear it all the time, "apply pressure!" which is possible if you're playing Nurse, Hillbilly, Spirit, Hag and to some extent, Huntress & Myers but for other killers your ability to apply pressure is null and void against specific playstyles such as not healing the entire match and only doing generators and in which case I don't even get how people can play like this and still complain about NOED. (Before you say anything, while I do believe the heal nerfs were a good step, they are not something I would've asked for in the first place rather than to have new, actually fun objectives)

2 : Some maps in the game nullify skill.

This is an issue with two sides to it, but generally speaking there are some absolutely awful maps that nullify your ability to do anything with most of the killers in the game and those said maps are ;

• Any Coldwind Farm map to ever exist. Thanks to see-through tiles you cannot mindgame the jungle gyms and thanks to the graphics changes with the Legion's release (2.4) it's actually difficult to see through corn and some of the maps still have busted structure loops like rancid or torment creek.
• Haddonfunfield. With balanced landing, most of the killers can have their entire game ruined and provides some of the worst loops in the entire game as of this moment causing actual infinites. This map is often argued by some of the best and well known killers and even well known survivors as being the absolute worst map for killers.
• Disturbed Ward. With or without balanced landing you have an immensely safe structure in the dead center of the map of which you can't mindgame and you can't prevent survivors from reaching unless you're hillbilly, nurse, T3 Myers and to some extent, Spirit.
• Mount Ormond Resort. Scratches and blood are near impossible to see (fixed in the next update I think?), otherwise it's a map with incredibly confusing or otherwise safe jungle gyms with an atrocious middle structure which can form some busted loops. Otherwise this map is actually incredibly laggy which makes gameplay miserable for anyone who lags on it and not just killers.
• Now this one I will actually admit is unfair to survivors which is shelter woods. There are almost no pallets on that map especially for how large it is.
• Wretched Shop. This map still houses an incredibly mindless, safe and otherwise disgusting loop with plenty of pallets sitting around it incase you mess up or a window gets blocked but is not as bad as it used to be.

While there are other problematic maps, the point still stands. We should not ignore problematic maps in the game because their existence means you're powerless and by continuing to fix them like the devs did in either 2.0 or 2.1 we can see great improvements for both sides of the game and begin to remove the old bandaid fixes.

3 : Some killers lack viability.

Granted, I believe we now have a solid pool of killers that will do pretty well in most circumstances and I believe that the killers that are in a fine spot would be Nurse (without addons), Hillbilly, Spirit, Huntress, Hag and Myers but the others? They are up for debate and the issue is that some killers will absolutely complain because some killers are simply just totally lackluster and need attention and of those killers I believe they include Leatherface, Trapper, Clown(?), Pig, Doctor and Legion but not only for the case of a lack of power but in some of these cases, just the lack of fun alone. Some killers will absolutely run NOED when their power can be totally nullified like in the case of Trapper. Other killers not brought up in this however would be fine with basic QoL changes to the game itself and changes to specific maps to better account for them. NOED while flawed and annoying can be nullified by playing smarter and playing in a more fun way for everyone rather than just wanting to finish games as fast as possible plain and simple.

4 : Rank as of the version 2.5 and earlier does not matter (can't judge 2.6 until I've had time to better understand the ranking changes).

This one actually isn't one that I'm saying killers complain about, for this point I just think it's interesting to bring up more than anything.

Rank as of this version does not matter because it's easy for both sides to rank up because they do not account for your real skill, they account for playing in a way that in theory should be more fun. It won't matter if a rank 16 killer is running NOED or not, if they play enough they will get to rank 1 eventually anyways and that's because it's difficult to depip and the rank system is practically designed to get more people into rank 1 and keep them up there. Though this isn't exactly a bad thing either as it means more games.

This comes from a player who has played both sides of the game, personally I do not run NOED but I also believe that while it's annoying, it's not the glaring problem of the game.

I do play killer a lot more than survivor (70% killer, 30% survivor) and I can say if I was in the killers position, I would probably be mad too. I know how frustrating games can be but when I do play survivor I do loop for a while to survive however I don't usually run any crutch perks and if I do it's only Adrenaline.

I didn't deserve the escape because I used pretty much 95% of the pallets and I had no where else to go after I 360ed him quite a few times and he expected it.

i read the thread and their post said that NOED was the reason killers ranked up above their skill level, and that's why killers complain about survivors being OP. Their whole reason for killers being higher rank than they should be is because of NOED. Not sure what you're reading, but that's what i got out of it.

NOED is nothing. It's not as if it's that hard to find a totem. It's only annoying when someone has NOED when you see they don't need it with their amount of knowledge/skill.

It's just like camping. If you play right in the situation, you won't get caught by it. It's true though that some killers are in ranks they dont belong just because of the perk, but I just always hope that they eventually learn tactics that require skill and rewards them more to stay away from perks like this. I don't necessarily think killers just complain about how OP survivors are because of this, but more because of very strong perks that could potentially turn the game around like Decisive Strike. I'm sure once the new chapter comes out, people would atleast say it less often.

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NoED is completely trash anyways.

Remove the totems or when it activates leave the game (By the door i mean not ALT+F4)

All the NoED complaints stem from someone getting hit with it, which is unfortunate to be sure but then the remaining survivors NOT getting out the door but instead wandering back in for the unhook and feeding the killer an undeserved 4K.