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Otzdarva has completed a 50-game win streak as the Unknown
Major accomplishment, props to him
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I'm guessing this is confirmation that BHVR rolled back their November MMR changes? I suspected it since my games started feeling bad again after all the content creators complained. Otz said at the time he would stop doing win streaks because of the changes, and if he's back to doing them I guess the changes were rolled back.
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Or ...
Unknown is a really strong killer with a high skill ceiling. It's not difficult to reach high win streaks with Nurse and Blight, so ...
Most survivors not knowing how to fight against Unknown, which can be difficult to learn when you don't face many of them.
Stream snipers having given up sabotaging win streaks, bc. Otz said he won't do them anymore.
I'm not saying you are wrong with the MMR changes being reverted. I'm just saying there are alternative explanations that are also perfectly reasonable. Maybe it's a combination of all.
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Sure. Could be. But I'd noted previously that the immediate uproar from content creators stopped pretty suddenly, and none of them have said a single word since about the changes that they were so heavily against because it affected their bottom line. Otz going back to win streaks kind of feels like another tick in the box.
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Are you saying you believe the devs adjust MMR matchmaking so that streamers can go on win streaks?
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That's too specific, but if they don't say it, I will.
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Not specifically for winstreaks, no. But no one can deny how much sway content creators seem to have. They were very unhappy with the changes, because it forced them into playing against opponents on their same level, then suddenly all their complaints stopped at once and they're now back to playing as usual without a care. Since my games feel bad/mismatched more often than not, I don't think there's anything wrong with wondering if a small percentage of players are the reason for this.
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Why do we care about winstreaks anyway? If you win 49 out of 50 games that is still basically a 98% win rate, which in any other pvp game would be considered insane, and most other games winstreaks are not even really considered because most balanced games aim for 50% win rates, which makes the idea of winrates nearly impossible.
And before anyone says anything, I don't consider kill rate the same as win rate, but they are related. If you kill 4 survivors in every game in 10 games, then lose your next 10 games but manage to kill 1 in each of those games, your win-rate is 50% but your kill rate will be around 62.5%. Of course this is assuming you consider a 1 kill a loss in the first place.5 -
Lots of BP, too, as it was done during Blood Moon.
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Im glad he was good enough to do that. I struggle to get one win on that killer.Thier power is just too much for me. I don't like that I can hit the survivor with the projectile most of the time but get nothing out of it and I have a hard time aiming lob projectiles. I gave up on the unknown almost month after they came out. Plus I have let found any good guide for them.
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Otz is my favorite CC for DbD and he is amazing but I find these winstreaks pointless. I don't find even slightly interesting to watch these types of videos (winstreaks in general).
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Yeah, most people don't KNOW how to fight him...I'm sorry
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It could just be that everyone who was at the previous softcap has now reached the new one so it’s basically the same skill level as before.
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nope, no changes have been made to MMR. We adjusted the soft cap back in October / November time and nothing has been adjusted since that time.
I'd actually agree with a lot of this, The Unknown is a pretty strong killer but not the easiest to master - Otz was doing pretty well with it even on the PTB however, it seems to be a killer that he's particularly good with.
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D3ad plays hit 75 in a row and I believe it’s still on going.
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Man, I love this absolute abomination of a killer.
Fun to play, fun to play against, not super weak but not a pushover either, honestly a good addition.
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Was bound to happen sooner than later.
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You're forgetting that unknown is otz favourite killer in a long while. Killers like xeno and chuckles got stale in a month and have limited skill expression
FFact Is, otz just didn't really have motivation to bother. Don't blame him, who'd want to play chucky or knight 50x?
I feel the same way as otz for once. Great killer, very strong but also fun to face with counterplaay
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Otz mentioned in a prior video that he did not advertise he was attempting a winstreak at all, he just played Unknown on stream and tried his best to win matches, but never mentioned he was keeping count of a winstreak because he feared stream snipers would deliberately attempt to sabotage him. He managed his 50 wins this way.
The Unknown is a pretty good killer. Maybe the best since Wesker.
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Then that just raises the question is it working properly if you can just go on massive win streaks like this?
Part of me thinks that matchmaking should be based upon what perks / add-ons you bring to the game. If you’re playing for a win streak, stacking full gen regression and great add-ons, should you not be faced against people bringing the same things? This would solve so many issues with the game IMO, it allows people to practically choose if they want to play casually or competitively. Because the game currently is “whoever brings the stronger build and strategy wins”.
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Exactly this. Unknown is a good killer, just not easy to do well with and that's okay! After the PTB changes they're in a pretty good state imo.
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Xenomorph and Chucky are better (Chucky barely). But agree that the Unknown is good.
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Depends on how you measure better. As much as I wanted to like them, Xenomorph and Chucky got boring quickly and just aren't that fun to play.
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Cheers Mandy, appreciate the info. Is there currently any plans to look into matchmaking further, if you're able to share?
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He tunnels pretty hard though so not surprised. I unsubbed and unfollowed him because of the tunnelling
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I did not follow Otz with this streak, but I'm quite certain this is not the restart of his killer streak attempts. I think it's more like he realized Unknown is fun and strong enough to give the streak a try.
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While most don't set out to do it by design, streamers and content creators can become "authorities" (I use the term very loosely, don't look into it) in video games because they have the resources and the motivation to be able to provide a much better formed opinion than the general public. That doesn't mean that their opinions are factual, but it does give them more weight hearing about an opinion from someone who has shown he has put in the work and hours into what he is stating.
If I never play Huntress, but wanted to learn to play huntress, odds are likely I will be able to learn by watching a huntress main who streams. Sure, there may be better huntress players out there, but if they don't make content, or stream, or share their knowledge in any way to the community, you can't really learn or form an opinion on huntress from them, can you?1 -
Kudos to Otz
The Unknown is probably the first Killer in a while that hasn't seen mass complaints about how weak or oppressive the Killer is upon release.
On the topic of winstreaks, I think it's fine as a showcase of a Killer's potential especially in the hands of veteran players. Who's to say the decision for Blight and Nurse nerfs wasn't influenced by the high winstreaks from some streamers? If anything these winstreaks serve as an alternative source of data to the devs apart from their spreadsheets.
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Congrats, but I still dislike the idea of a win streak. Playing against a super tryharding Otz, who is at his 46th win in a row must be an unfun experience.
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I love Otz, his videos were a guiding light for me getting going in DBD... and I enjoyed the streaks and a lot of his videos.... but as with the Blight streak, and Nurse streak, it's not really that hard to get a streak going against pubbers if you're a pro player.
When I was playing comp in various games (and I was not at all anything special in comp, just a low tier regular scrub comp player), I was walking into pub games and decimating, top of the leaderboard constantly.
It is natural that if you play a game 40-50+ hours a week, you're going to get way better at it than your typical player, and vs. comp players, public players tend to be absolute bambis, especially in games like DBD where there isn't really a major competitive event like Worlds.
So gz to Otz, its not a meaningless achievement or anything, he had to play well and be skilled to achieve it, and ofc the video is entertaining and enjoyable... but seriously don't put a lot of stock in streaks with regards to balance or assessing gameplay changes.
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I think they're pretty close but Unknown has the advantage, that many people still lack the practice of playing against him. So you sometimes get hits around objects that were avoidable in theory but the survivors didn't know that yet. By now I feel that most people have a solid understanding of how to play against Xenomorph (could just be my imagination though) and Chucky is a bit inconsistent in my opinion.
There are maps where he really excells and maps where he's not that impressive. Unknown seems to be pretty good on all maps though.
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No shame on Otz but doesn't he do that too? Literally the first game in the video is someone dead at 3 hooks. If you're doing a win streak, then of course you'll play ruthless. I haven't seen the entire video yet but just go through the first few games. There is quite a bit of let's call it "controlled killing" (getting someone dead on hook, then killing them when the match could go south), camping and slugging in there. So it's not like he played super chill or nice either.
The difference is that he uses the big 3 of mean killer strategies instead of being overly reliant on 1.
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I dislike 'win streaks' in general no matter who is playing them, I think they are a bad thing for DBD overall and create a toxic game environment in general and I wish people would stop encouraging and participating in win streaks.
Yes Otz will rarely tunnel but I don't see him doing it constantly and I have seen him actively avoid doing so unless he is really on the back foot. Other content creators will do so without hesitation, some are well known for it and I personally have zero respect for it and will block their content from ever being recommended to me again.
Each to their own though
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I dislike 'win streaks' in general no matter who is playing them, I think they are a bad thing for DBD overall and create a toxic game environment in general and I wish people would stop encouraging and participating in win streaks.
I agree with this but from a competitive stand point, they aren't anything bad. Quite the opposite because it allows players to show off that they're better at the game than most of the people they play against and it also shows how far skill can actually take you.
For more casual players however, a win streak can really ruin a lot people's experience. I mean, how happy were those 200 survivor players in this win streak facing a very serious Otz? Probably not much. It's similar to playing against a quad meta Nurse on Midwich, that immediately tunnels someone. Yeah, they might play good but I'd really prefer not having to play against them.
The issue is that DBD hasn't really decided, if it wants to be competitive or casual. So the devs try to cater to everyone at once with only one game mode and this is one of the results. On one hand we try to dumb down a lot of mechanics so that they become easier and less things need to be accounted for, on the other we're removing niche / fun things because they could potentially give players an unfair advantage.
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Yeah well said bro, I cant really argue with much of what you said here.
I don't view DBD as competitive and I think approaching public matches with a competitive mindset of winning at any cost, as is the case with 'win streaks' just creates misery and it's the last thing DBD needs at this point.
Though I must say I don't find it impressive to stomp on lobby after lobby of the average solo queue survivors, who are almost all the typical low skill casual player. Now if they were doing win streaks against actual comp teams then I would be impressed!
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These winstreaks work right until an organized swf team is matched. That is when all those streaks end because survivors are playing efficiently, more organized and sufficiently bold to keep killer occupied or away from gens that are being repaired.
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You can figure that out by watching the matches and see how good or bad the survivors that he goes against play.
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Eh, I find it hard to get too excited about win streaks because they just highlight how the matchmaking system doesn't work. Almost no one should be able to get anywhere close to 50 wins in a row if the game was continually putting them against equally-skilled opponents.
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