Killers are carried by OP perks, go to High MMR and then demand nerfs on forum

everything you listed needed the nerfs, DH is still a good perk, and DS is getting Fixed

I remember games on 4.x.x when I would do gens, one of my teammate was
dedicated to destroying totems, one run around with flashlight missing
99% of flashlight saves and one usually being on hook. And we managed to
escape a lot of times.

and this is a good example why lol

But now survivors have to be very coordinated and yet they still can't
win because strong killer is playing with strong perk combo or BHVR
decides to add Undetectable, Haste and Broken status effect to killer
that shouldn't have this much in basekit…

also, you can just… stop being scanned by drones outside of chase, skull merchant is not even strong, just annoying

And there’s simply nothing else to be said, you shouldn’t be losing in pubs playing a Top5 killer with Pain res, pop, corrupt and grim embrace especially if you have mastered the skill ceiling of that particular killer.

A next to near comp Swf on comms shouldn’t be losing to any killer that doesn’t have mobility nor be able to mechanically outplay survivors at tiles/ pallets.

This is why adrenaline is being nerfed. Then those killer mains get to a higher MMR and start facing more elite SWFs and they start asking the devs to nerf the next perk they see survs using.

Ahh yes. Because killers completely skip all the more suitable groups. It's only baby survivors and Seal Team Six SWFs. All the intermediate players don't exist. Also, every killer uses Pop + Pain Res + Grim Embrace, which is why their pick rates are all below 30%. The other 70% killers are probably survivors.

Medkits are still good, otherwise nobody would bother equipping them. They still give you time efficient self-heals, which are already pretty damn good. Gen kicks had to be buffed when they introduced the 8 regression event limit. Otherwise it would have meant that playing with slowdown became mandatory (which it almost was already). The removal of gen taps is a good thing too. Do you think adding a regression limit but then letting gen taps remain would be fair? Again, it would disincentivise killers from using something other than slowdown because their only regression would be useless around pretty much any strong loop. You can literally vault the shack window, then work on the gen for about 2 seconds and get out and around again before the killer catches up to you. Something similar would be possible around jungle gyms and many main buildings.

DS in end game was a guaranteed escape. So instead of punishing a killer for tunneling it did the opposite as well. If you're not tunneling, then you increase the likelihood of the survivors even reaching the end game. Hooking a survivor with DS in end game without killing them, would have meant, that they were gone with absolutely no possible way to avoid it once they got off the hook, which by now only 2 killers can reliably prevent. So the alternative was to actually tunnel through the DS, which defies its purpose.

DH was indeed nuked. In the way that you could nuke earth and it would still remain a planet. It is nowhere near as strong as it used to be but it's still a damn fine perk. This only shows us that the DH was 100% justified. CoH became too situational for many solo queue groups to use. That is a shame. The solution however is not to revert the nerfs because CoH was a problem. The solution is to give survivors more information about each other's perks and maybe a way to communicate.

I agree that they missed the mark on many of the recent map reworks. But that's nothing new. BHVR have never been good at creating balanced maps. Either they are ridiculously stacked with safe zones and about as large as the milky way or they are complete dead zones that are about 2 metres in diameter. But the reworks of many of these maps were necessary and we even have some maps that aren't horrible. PTB Haddonfield not being one of them. I don't know who thought it would be a good idea to decrease the pallet count but that person should have a think about what happens when survivors have no resources to play around.

No matter how strong your build is, it can't carry you to a point where you will be mostly evenly matched and then push you even further. That doesn't work. You plateau at a point where the survivors are about your level with the build your using. Discrepancies can happen with players, like me, who use weaker perks most of the time but then decide to play serious. But other than that, it's fair to assume the MMR distribution and with that the estimated skill level of players is almost continuous, which means, that no matter your combination of skill and perks, the game will find someone that is about evenly matched.

Also, your example with the games of 4.X.X only shows why we moved away from that balance. How is it fair, that one side has the upper hand to the point where they can chill and waste time while the other stresses for their life and still can't keep up? That's not fair, that's unbalanced.

Casual players aren't matched with killers that completely stomp them all the time. I am one such casual player even if I am fairly engaged in the forums. I'm not a very good survivor and I manage just fine. Because the MMR puts me against someone that is realistically beatable most of the times. Especially since many players have a staple build (in this case a meta build) that they almost always play with. So the game will find a killer that is "bad enough" with these "op" perks to still be beatable as long as we all play decently well in comparison.

There are things that are genuinely broken on both sides. Flashbangs are literally broken as in there is currently a bug that allows survivors to use them with no counterplay and another that bugs out their sound, so the killer can't even hear them. Then there's Background Player, which is problematic at best. It's insanely difficult to counter, if at all possible without slugging. And the slugging counter is even more unhealthy. A hardcore slugging killer is not someone you want to play against, I assure you. An argument can be made that the very strongest killers in the game with the very best perks and addons are indeed overpowered but this has little to do with the individual perks or even their combination. It's the combination of everything at once that becomes an issue. No matter what perks you use on Freddy and no matter what addons he has, he is still not going to hold a candle to survivors that play equally serious.

The fact remains, that in a somewhat competitive game (and DBD seems to go that route), the one playing better should win. If you play chill and still have time to spare, then that means, that either the matchmaking wasn't working properly or the overall balance is terrible.

Have you ever considered back then Killer already did the best he could, but still lost to Survivors that played so chill like you? Was that really balanced at all?

That means back then if Survivors decided to slam on Gens, there's no chance for Killer to win the game at all.

You mean just like how survivors come to the forum demanding nerfs for anything that kills them in trial?

Honestly, the idea of "carried by a perk/addon/power/team/items" is weird idea, every strategy is more or less valid and game is made with using that in mind, there is no "carry" because ultimately you have to utilize all that efficiently

If you tunnel, your MMR will go up, if you play with SWF, your MMR will go up, there is no "belonging" because those are pretty much constant variable that changes MMR for literally everyone

MMR is made so people can play with a MMR range of matching power level, like you can play with solo when playing as a scratched mirror myers, and play with full on SWF when playing as a 4 slowdown nurse

I don't understand why people thinks something like "true skill rating" exists, everything is only true with all that external things

If you aren't even willing to play the game against certain killers (as a presumably experience swf btw), how can you presume yourself capable of judging others for how they decide to handle bad games?

have you ever actually watched a no-restrictions match on high skill levels and actually saw how little chance most of the killers stand when you give survivors absolutely 0 restrictions builds wise?

And thinking that Grim+PR+Pop (the healthiest killer meta in a long time) is problematic without actually mentioning the only problematic perk combo, Grim+DMS, idk what to tell you.

Grim has a hook condition to proc, PR has a hook condition to proc, Pop has a hook condition to proc. All three of those perks require you to actually progress well through the match to get their benefits.

Unfortunately you're not going to find a lot of people who agree with you on these forums, as they're crawling with killer players who deny the truth about the situation. For whatever reason, the devs want to balance this game so that a mediocre killer player can still compete against a coordinated team of decent survivor players. I agree with the majority of your post. A survivor shouldn't have to have 1000+ hours, memorize all maps, buy dlcs for meta perks, and know how to counterplay every killer to be able to escape only 40% of the time. How is that fun?

What do you think I'm joking about?

Look at any post: 8/10 people posting are mainly killer players that don't care about the survivor experience. Look at any thread about survivor balance: killers demand survivors make less mistakes and play better while also being carried by perks like pain res, pop, grim embrace, deadlock, corrupt, lethal pursuer, surge, etc. Look at any thread about survivors thinking their role requires too much from them: killers calling them entitled while also getting sweeping buffs to almost everything in 6.1.0.

I know that was supposed to be a rhetorical question, but no, I'm absolutely not joking.